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07-17-2019 02:57 PM

Okay, I am just getting into woodworking and did a few Steve Ramsey projects to get my feet wet (don’t laugh). Anyway I did the BMW “Basic Mobile Workbench” project and the bench has served me well but it has no vise. The bench has a top of two 3/4” sheets of plywood glued together attached to a 2X4 frame with about a 3” overhang. Anybody have any ideas what vise I can attach to this type of bench? I am wanting to work on some hand cut dovetail joints as a skill builder but can see a problem with holding the workpiece. Clamps will be somewhat cumbersome to be able to quickly flip the board back and forth. All ideas welcome, thanks! I hope I have placed this image the right way/


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#1 posted 07-17-2019 03:22 PM

You could make a Moxon vise if it’s just for making dovetails. Can use clamps to hold it to the top when you are using it and then move it when you are done. Based on that bench photo I don’t know if you could use a normal quick release vise or a leg vise without modifying the design, unless you wanted a longer top overhang and could put a QR vise there.

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#2 posted 07-17-2019 03:28 PM

+1 on the moxon.
If you use the threaded bars from Goldsgym dumbell that can be found at Walmart then your costs will be super low.
There are lots of moxon build projects here on LB.
jon

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controlfreak

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#3 posted 07-17-2019 03:44 PM



You could make a Moxon vise if it s just for making dovetails. Can use clamps to hold it to the top when you are using it and then move it when you are done.

- jmartel


Thank you, this looks like what I need!

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controlfreak

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#4 posted 07-17-2019 03:46 PM



+1 on the moxon.
If you use the threaded bars from Goldsgym dumbell that can be found at Walmart then your costs will be super low.
There are lots of moxon build projects here on LB.
jon

- MrWolfe


Oh boy, lots more research to be done. Time to wear out the search box here. Thank you!

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#5 posted 07-17-2019 04:10 PM

+++ on the Moxon

For dovetail work on drawers etc., it’s pretty hard to beat the Moxon. Here is a link for an easy build plan for a Moxon that will fit on the mere mortals workbench.

https://hobbyworkshopprojects.blogspot.com/2019/02/building-roubo-bench.html

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#6 posted 07-17-2019 05:07 PM


+1 on the moxon.
If you use the threaded bars from Goldsgym dumbell that can be found at Walmart then your costs will be super low.
There are lots of moxon build projects here on LB.
jon

- MrWolfe

Do you have any links that show a build using that dumbbell bar? I’d be interested to see one since I have to build a bench and a moxon soon.

Nevermind. Did a google search and found this one pop up. I’m impressed that they even clocked the square head screws:

https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php?threads/yet-another-dumbbell-screw-moxon-vise.67297/

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#7 posted 07-17-2019 05:20 PM


+1 on the moxon.
If you use the threaded bars from Goldsgym dumbell that can be found at Walmart then your costs will be super low.
There are lots of moxon build projects here on LB.
jon

- MrWolfe

I +1 Jon’s comment here. A moxon you can add to the top of a flat area, which you can make to the height you feel comfortable to do all manner of work that is better done in a vice. Yes, you could put it on top of your current bench, but the thing is, you can design it for whatever size you want it to be, to sit on any flat surface. After using it just once or twice you will readily see what I am saying about the correct height.

Jon’s thread is here.

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/410230

PlanBWoodworks is here

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/373850

kocgolf’s is here

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/408232

DustySO6’s is here

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/408787

There are as many ways to use hardware as there are different types of hardware you can use. I have the Benchcrafted hardware which when I made my first Moxon was the only game I knew of. If you choose to spend the bux for one, I can assure you the hardware is slick as snot. But that said, I am not sure some of these others aren’t also. So they would be much better choices.

Ton of vids on YouTube showing people making them, probably a lot more on here than what I posted, these I have just popped into favorites since I started using that feature.

In case you haven’t figured it out, I like Moxon vices, they solve a lot of problems, sometimes problems you didn’t know you had till you used a Moxon. Hand tools only, blended, or even just a power tool guy, a Moxon will help your woodworking.

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#8 posted 07-18-2019 02:00 PM

Thanks for all the ideas! Being my fist Moxon vise build I have decided to go with the Golds Gym Dumbells and get the best hardwood I can for the jaws and use something softer for the back of a bench top build. I want to add some dogs to both the vise and the table siad of the vise. Any Ideas what I should use for dogs? I see a lot of those meal clamp bars but have no idea what to call them. If I drill holes for those, if I find them, I guess I could just get some hardwood dowels to fit the same holes too.

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#9 posted 07-18-2019 02:20 PM

I think you are referring to Holdfasts when you say “metal clamp bars”. In which case, your best bet is to get a pair of Gramercy ones.

http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/item/ms-holdfast.xx/holdfasts_by_gramercy_tools

The cheaper cast ones don’t work very well and crack easier. Expensive ones are nicer to look at, but don’t really work that much better. Drill a 3/4” hole and use 3/4” dowels as you said for fitting the same holes.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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#10 posted 07-18-2019 04:31 PM

Oh, no shame in building a bench from WWMM. That is a GREAT place to start. I built my first workbench based on an older WWMM build. Still works great! Just work and learn. That’s a great bench.

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#11 posted 07-18-2019 04:44 PM

+ on the Moxon vises. Good inexpensive way to go. holdfasts are quick and easy to use. I went with the two of these https://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-Tool-Auto-Adjust-Clamp-Horizontal/dp/B01M97QKME/ref=sr_1_12?crid=OAYLAW31679G&keywords=holdfast+clamps+woodworking&qid=1563467840&s=gateway&sprefix=holdfast+clamps%2Caps%2C187&sr=8-12 and I put three of these vises on my workbench, two on one side and one on the opposite side https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Cabinet-Maker-s-Vise/H7788 . You could install T-tracks on your workbench for T-track hold down options. A matter of personal choice.

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#12 posted 07-18-2019 04:51 PM

I think you’re going to need more than a Moxon. Great for clamping boards vertically to address the ends like dovetailing, but for other types of clamping you’ll need either a face or end vise.

It wouldn’t be that difficult to add a face vise or leg vise.

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controlfreak

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#13 posted 07-18-2019 04:55 PM



I think you are referring to Holdfasts when you say “metal clamp bars”. In which case, your best bet is to get a pair of Gramercy ones.

http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/item/ms-holdfast.xx/holdfasts_by_gramercy_tools

The cheaper cast ones don t work very well and crack easier. Expensive ones are nicer to look at, but don t really work that much better. Drill a 3/4” hole and use 3/4” dowels as you said for fitting the same holes.

- jmartel


Thank You. Holdfast sounds so much better than “clampy thingy”

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#14 posted 07-18-2019 05:24 PM

Okay with the help here I have already had I just picked up some of the Golds Gym Barbells. I think my design is going to be to use a piece of hardwood for the jaws and the last piece of the table. I will place extensions on the front and rear pieces to receive clamps on the front and bolts on the rear if needed. I plan on glueing what ever lumber together as need to get to the final table dimensions. If I dado a grove for the threaded rod and drill a hole for a lag bolt it will allow the table to be a bit deeper if it suits. It will also give me room to shorten the treads protruding out the front without cutting. If I make the front and rear pieces taller it should leave room for the hold fasts from depth perspective.

A couple of questions that I have thought of:
The hold fasts are 3/4”. In the event I pre drill the holes to receive them any idea what size to over drill them to? Would this size also work for dogs? I guess I could make my own since I am on the cheap now. My wife is starting to wear on my tool purchases. This is why I am delaying a planer purchase in favor of learning to saw dovetails.
The pads, I can only think of a fabric store to find real or faux leather

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controlfreak

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#15 posted 07-18-2019 05:30 PM



I think you re going to need more than a Moxon. Great for clamping boards vertically to address the ends like dovetailing, but for other types of clamping you ll need either a face or end vise.

It wouldn t be that difficult to add a face vise or leg vise.

- Robert


When I get my skill level up to par I would love to construct a Roubo bench with both an end, leg vise and sliding deadman. I think that type of bench is awesome but with limited time it will take a while.

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