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Forum topic by Crosscutduke posted 07-06-2019 03:12 PM 1495 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-06-2019 03:12 PM

I got this old saw that my father has had since I was probably 4 years old. He got it from an old camp in Milton, VT he purchased in the late 1960’s. I’ve done a little research and know that it has the loop style handles and the tooth pattern is champion pattern commonly used in the northeast for hardwood and frozen wood cutting. There are no obvious manufacturing markings on it. There is a small amount of red paint on the ends of the blade by the handles.

Any information that anyone has on a rough idea of when this may have been manufactured or the actual manufacturer would be greatly appreciated. Also, I am not at all interested in selling it.

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#1 posted 07-06-2019 10:01 PM

While I cannot unfortunately tell you anything about that saw, I can tell you I bought that identical saw at a farm auction here in Kansas back in the 90s.


-- Dave; Lansing, Kansas

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#2 posted 07-06-2019 11:18 PM

Maybe try reaching out to Don at Time tested tools?

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#3 posted 07-07-2019 02:01 AM

From your photos, you have a felling saw as the back is concave, not straight as would be the case if it were a bucking saw. The concave back allows felling wedges to be inserted as the saw goes into the tree. Many makers sold these from the 1890s till 1940s. The champion or Tuttle tooth pattern came into use in about 1915 based on my Disston and Adkins catalogs. The red paint is a possible clue as to the maker. Simmonds Saw Co. used red on many of their tools.

Regards, The Kentucky Toolsmith!

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#4 posted 07-07-2019 01:21 PM

But it is hanging upside down. Turn the handles up so the good luck won’t run out!

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#5 posted 07-07-2019 01:35 PM

Thanks everyone for your posts! I did some poking around and found some catalogs of the Simonds Company from 1904, 1912, 1916, and some others that I could find no dates on. This saw was in all of those catalogs. As Kentucky said, the red paint on the ends of the saw was a dead giveaway. It’s a Simonds 315 I believe and you could buy one for about $3.50 and choose your handles starting at .14 per pair back in the early 1900’s. The ones on this saw appear to have been .15.!

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#6 posted 07-08-2019 10:47 AM

Here in the New York and the north east where that was found, they are quite plentiful. Every flea market and antique shop will have several.

Saws, like most old tools have a history that interesting once you start digging.

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#7 posted 07-08-2019 01:15 PM

These were also available through Sears & Roebuck, in lengths ranging from 5, 5 1/2, 6 and 6 1/2 feet ($1.65-2.25) handles included. Separate sale loop style handles for these saws were available at .12 per pair.
Listings and prices taken from the 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Co catalog.

-- OleGrump

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#8 posted 07-08-2019 02:37 PM

Yes, that’s a Simonds saw, red paint a giveaway. The clipped ends and width of belly indicate it is a model #113, a saw that was hard-tempered for cutting frozen wood. They also had a lot of taper ground into the blade (Thin back, thicker on the tooth end). This allowed for minimum set to the teeth.

-- Dan

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#9 posted 07-08-2019 09:07 PM

I love old tools. The history of them and often think about how many people must have used them throughout the years. I’m a carpenter and cut and split all my own firewood. It is hard work now with all the modern saws and hydraulic wood splitters. I can’t imagine what it would have been like then to cut everything with a hand saw and split it up with an axe! I guess it was cut and chop or freeze to death…easy choice.

Thanks everyone.

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#10 posted 07-08-2019 11:58 PM

Henry Thoreau said “Firewood heats one twice, Once when they cut it, and once when they burn it”.... Course, haulin’ an’ stackin’ it will make ya sweat, too…..

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#11 posted 07-09-2019 05:53 AM

I grew up on a small family farm in north central Wisconsin in the 60s. The house was heated with wood, furnace (and wood pile) in the basement, forced air. Trees were felled with a chain saw, cut to length with a large circular saw mounted on the back of a tractor, and spit with an axe usually, sometimes with a splitting maul. Then moved to the basement, then stacked. As I was the only son, most of the work was done by myself. Lots of heat generated at multiple steps. Learned to dress in layers before it was fashionable.
As a side benefit, when I enlisted in the military, I was asked how many hours a day I spent lifting weights. I just laughed

I have one of those saws hanging on the wall in my shop – it was my dads’, though never used when I was around

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#12 posted 07-09-2019 02:02 PM

..I have one of those saws hanging on the wall in my shop – it was my dads , though never used when I was around…

I have a couple of similar saws that were my dad’s—I remember watching him and his brother using it.

-- PPBart

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#13 posted 07-10-2019 12:35 PM

Ah yes. I wonder how many of us remember bucking firewood with one of those saws mounted on the back of of a tractor. I did this myself back in the late 60s and early 70s. That’s enough to give OSHA and the other “safety conscious” individuals apoplexy. The odd thing is that although I knew several families who bucked their firewood this way, I never heard of anyone getting injured by the saw. OK, people got a mashed finger now and then, handling the logs, but nothing from the saw.
Lot of memories with that old grey Ford tractor and the saw mounted at the rear. Love the comment about lifting weights. If only they KNEW. I was once asked if I “worked out”. I told the fellow “No, I don’t “work out”, I just WORK. But if you look at how big this property is, most of my work IS outside….” He shut up pretty quickly.

-- OleGrump

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#14 posted 07-12-2019 01:52 PM

I knew several families who bucked their firewood this way, I never heard of anyone getting injured by the saw.

I’ve used crosscuts with trail crews in wilderness areas for over 20 years and never knew anyone who was injured. In that same timeframe I knew several people who were injured using chainsaws. Crosscuts work slower and quieter, and you hear every pop and snap of wood fibers being released. Binds set up more slowly and the sawyer has time to recognize when things are starting to go wrong. Also nice to make the release cut standing five feet back from a tensioned log.

-- Dan

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#15 posted 07-12-2019 09:32 PM

I have both a two man and a one man version of what we called whip saws. The US forest service offers
a free booklet on the care and sharpening of them. They were never used to cut firewood, but saw
considerable use when I was a scoutmaster at various campouts and camporees. The boys liked to cut
firewood and fashion rough chairs and various camp furniture for themselves. The saws are hanging in
the tool shed with assorted other items like post hole diggers and tampers. I guess it is time to start
sorting those things out and seeing which of the kids and grandkids wants what. Thank you for
bringing up old memories.

-- As ever, Gus-the 82 yr young apprentice carpenter

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