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06-22-2019 06:50 PM

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-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki


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#1 posted 06-22-2019 07:14 PM

Challenge accepted!

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#2 posted 06-22-2019 07:32 PM

Some may call that Cause and Effect. I call it closing the barn door after the cow ran off.

Most likely still won’t adhere to any safety practices, cause now he has the “safety saw” to save him from himself.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#3 posted 06-22-2019 08:09 PM


Some may call that Cause and Effect. I call it closing the barn door after the cow ran off.

- therealSteveN

Interesting. The first thing I saw in the photo was someone who bought a SawStop, hurt themselves anyway and is now returning it. You see someone who bought the saw in response to an injury. I guess we’ll never know.

Kind of like those drawings where you can see either an old hag or a young woman depending on how you look at it.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#4 posted 06-22-2019 11:09 PM

If it were as you looked at it, some Lawyer is gonna make some moneyyyyyy, and it won’t be Gass.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#5 posted 06-24-2019 01:48 AM

hell you just convinced me rich im goin out tomorrow and get me one of those ”safe ” saws.good thing people believe that or gass would be hurtin worse than a thumb cut off-LMAO.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#6 posted 06-24-2019 02:22 AM

My vote is he just bought it. Ever try to put a tool back in the box and actually get it closed? Impossible.

Besides, I’m pretty sure if it didn’t work the lawyers would want that tid bit of evidence.

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#7 posted 06-24-2019 03:33 AM



My vote is he just bought it. Ever try to put a tool back in the box and actually get it closed? Impossible.

Besides, I’m pretty sure if it didn’t work the lawyers would want that tid bit of evidence.

- CWWoodworking


that’s why all the major tool manufacturers turned him down,if it fails and someone is severely hurt themselves their liable,but if your careless and cut off a thumb it’s your problem.plus they don’t pay gass a royalty-lol.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#8 posted 06-24-2019 10:41 AM

My vote is he just bought it. Ever try to put a tool back in the box and actually get it closed? Impossible.

Besides, I’m pretty sure if it didn’t work the lawyers would want that tid bit of evidence.

- CWWoodworking

that s why all the major tool manufacturers turned him down,if it fails and someone is severely hurt themselves their liable,but if your careless and cut off a thumb it s your problem.plus they don t pay gass a royalty-lol.

- pottz

Do you really believe that…. and I guess Bosch isn’t major enough.

They didn’t do it because simply it was going to cost them more. They also knew their demographic well and how easy to pander to their mentality regarding safety and cost increases. The Saw Stop clearly has the same lawyer language regarding safety and user responsibility, even more so as you will find all sorts of small print regarding care, use, and things that override the warranty of the electronic sensing system.

In regards to law suits the industry knows where it is headed. Ryobi past two suits of 1.5 and 2 million dollars from guys that cut their fingers off not following the jargon supposed to protect the manufacture. At one time the ruling had not been overturned but haven’t checked recently. The precedent has been set as they are pointing out flesh sensing technology is available and manufactures are falling into the negligent category for not implementing.

Government has taken note and starting the wheels on forcing the use of blade stopping technology.. one of those easy bipartisan legislation things they can get done as low hanging fruit. Add insurance companies premium increases or lack of paying out damages if proper saws not used and the writing is on the wall.

This technology will end up being mandated on all new table saws probably sooner than later. I would expect it to jump to other equipment also. I assume my next table saw purchase will have the technology on it whether a Saw Stop or another brand.

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#9 posted 06-24-2019 06:13 PM

Travis, not to argue, just want to ask a question. Do you actually believe those law suits were of a jury of OUR peers? Meaning folks who had any idea about woodworking.

I’ll state my position, you need not respond, but please answer the question above.

I am only familiar with the Rosario case, but here was a Man working for another Man who took the supplied guards off the saw completely, and had Rosario hand cutting small pieces of flooring with no fence, no guards, just stabbing at the blade. The fence wouldn’t matter at all, because the cuts he was making were not straight cuts. He was cutting curves.

I know SawStop owners, but none of them would have found Ryobi guilty, They would have found the guy Rosario was working for guilty of a host of offenses, but Lawbirds, and guys like Gass didn’t want to go after the guilty party, they wanted deep pockets, and Gass wanted it on paper that his saw is inherently somehow safer.

I’m not sure when it will happen, but a bad batch of safeties is gonna go out. I hate to think of the owners relying on a simple switch for their safety, but you read it, and see it over and over. SawStop users with no other change in their woodworking behavior, than to add a switch, if/when those switches fail, and I believe they will. My only hope is Gass is on trial for every cent he ever made. He opened that can of worms. I think it’s very fair he get’s to see what it is like, to have a jury of non woodworkers judging his tool, instead of the practices of the person using that tool.

-- Think safe, be safe

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