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MountainMan63

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06-20-2019 02:49 AM

Topic tags/keywords: finishing staining pine

I have a question if you all don’t mind. I am in the process of starting to make some Tea Light Candle Holders.

A friend of mine gave me some 4”x4”’s cutoff lumber that I plan to cut down to roughly 2”x2”square by varing lengths.

My question is can treated lumber be stained say with Oak or Walnut stain or any of the other stains or am I stuck with the lumbers natural look?

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt


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#1 posted 06-20-2019 02:58 AM

Oh is it that FWW candle holder? Honestly i wouldn’t use any kind of treated wood. That stuff is pretty nasty, you don’t want that dust flying anywhere near you. I’d rather buy the cheapest wood at the big box stores than free treated wood.

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#2 posted 06-20-2019 03:03 AM

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#3 posted 06-20-2019 03:09 AM



Answers from ProWood one of the bigger makers of PT wood.

It looks like they default to no know danger from the wood, but check with the maker of the XYZ you want to use with it.

SMP has a valid point, especially if the wood is still wet to the point of throwing drops off on you. Be really careful when cutting, sanding, turnings, etc etc etc that dust, off thrown moisture, and especially fine dust cannot enter your respiratory or oral track. Or into your eyes. I wear my full face respirator, and wash my hands well after touching it, working with it, and that doesn’t matter for indoor, or outdoor use.

If you want to stain it. ALWAYS find some dry, or older. While still wet it doesn’t stain worth a darn.

- therealSteveN


-- Think safe, be safe

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#4 posted 06-20-2019 04:00 AM

Thank you! The wood was purchased at either a Menards or Home Depot, so it was/is dry. Makes sense to ask the company that produced whatever stain I decide to use, thank you for that clue!!

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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#5 posted 06-20-2019 01:39 PM



Thank you! The wood was purchased at either a Menards or Home Depot, so it was/is dry. Makes sense to ask the company that produced whatever stain I decide to use, thank you for that clue!!

- MountainMan63

Nope. Especially with treated wood, it’s not usually dry. Or even close to dry. I’ve had it so wet that it left water standing on my miter saw.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#6 posted 06-21-2019 12:35 AM

WOW, that’s definitely not good, no matter what the wood is!

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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#7 posted 06-21-2019 06:24 AM


Thank you! The wood was purchased at either a Menards or Home Depot, so it was/is dry. Makes sense to ask the company that produced whatever stain I decide to use, thank you for that clue!!

- MountainMan63

Nope. Especially with treated wood, it s not usually dry. Or even close to dry. I ve had it so wet that it left water standing on my miter saw.

- HokieKen

If it’s straight from the store I always wear a face shield wen I saw it, I get splashed on most every cut. It’s why I wear my full face respirator when I use it.

-- Think safe, be safe

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MountainMan63

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#8 posted 06-21-2019 06:56 AM

Thank you for your advice and time assisting me with making a informed decision!

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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#9 posted 06-21-2019 08:59 AM


Answers from ProWood one of the bigger makers of PT wood.

- therealSteveN


Sorry to challenge t’r’S’N, as my soap box tirade is unfounded gesticulation rather than scientific fact.

I personally don’t expect a manufacturer or supplier to advertise, “Yes, our product is carcinogenic, however, with very careful use you won’t notice any harmful affects for at least 25 years by which time there should be a cure for any health problems that our product will cause for any residents”.

It was in the 1960’s that asbestos was identified as dangerous, yet production companies are still defending against the harm caused by their products. It also took decades to get warning messages displayed on cigarette packets.

When the humble coffee (and egg) raises conjectures, there aren’t too many profiteer manipulated offerings that I would accept on face value.

M’M’63, the fact that you dared to raise the question is ringing alarm bells with me. To save a few shekels, with all the miriad of alternative “safe” timber has me throwing my hands up in the air.

Now I have no idea what the factual relationship is between the scraps you have and the product that the ProWood disclaimer pertains to, however, candle heat on “artificially” treated timber screams to me… run away, run away!

.... and this hypocrite (moi) works with MDF, allbeit with full facemask!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#10 posted 06-21-2019 06:08 PM

if PT wood couldnt be stained there wouldnt be a few companies making millions off of deck stain sales

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#11 posted 06-21-2019 06:17 PM

Ok!! I didn’t mean for this to turn into a big debate/argument amongst everyone. After reading these responses from here on LumberJocks.com & from other more experienced woodworkers than I, I’ve forgotten why I asked the question to begin with!! And before ANYBODY throws a “wise crack” at me about me already starting to have signs of some illness due to my having cut, breathed in dust from PTW that’s not my issue! I had a brain (Yes, I have a brain & have medical proof to the fact!) aneurysm burst in 2010, hence my memory loss/issues!!

So, that being said, I think it was someone telling me not to use this wood for my intended purpose that made me ask people who are “supposed to be REALLY experienced wood worker/craftsmen and crafts women & not start a huge debate over this one or that ones opinion!

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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#12 posted 06-21-2019 06:21 PM



if PT wood couldnt be stained there wouldnt be a few companies making millions off of deck stain sales

- tomsteve

Agreed, and it needs to be stained (or more applicably, sealed) when used outdoors. But, in most cases, it is sold from the big box stores long before the moisture content is low enough to do so. I recently built 2 small decks in my back yard. I figure next summer I will stain/seal them. They are far too wet at present to do so. The same goes for any wood, treated or not – if it’s not dry, it’s not going to take a finish well.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#13 posted 06-21-2019 06:43 PM

This argument is nothing compared to some I have seen here. Use cedar or redwood, toss the PT scraps. The center is not treated anyway. You can see the color difference where the chemical ends.

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#14 posted 06-21-2019 06:45 PM



This argument is nothing compared to some I have seen here. Use cedar or redwood, toss the PT scraps. The center is not treated anyway. You can see the color difference where the chemical ends.

- ibewjon

Yeah, this is like a love fest! Post a question about the best sharpening method or whether vintage or new hand planes are superior if you want to see a brawl ;-P

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#15 posted 06-21-2019 06:52 PM


Yeah, this is like a love fest! Post a question about the best sharpening method or whether vintage or new hand planes are superior if you want to see a brawl ;-P

- HokieKen

can you imagine the arguments if festool came out with a handplane……

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