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LearningAsIGo

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06-19-2019 12:35 AM

Topic tags/keywords: blum hinges frameless cabinets

I find that the Blum website, documents, and general instructions leave a lot to be desired. We’re building our own kitchen cabinets and I’m trying to figure out what hinges are needed.

They are frameless cabinets, boxes made from 3/4” prefinished plywood. The doors will be shaker style with 3/4” rails and stiles. Doors will be full overlay, with ideally a 5/8” + 1/32 or 1/16 reveal.

Originally I thought I needed the 110° (71B3550). But now I think I might need the 110°+(73B3550). Although I’m not sure about either.

I also have a lazy susan corner base cabinet and a diagonal wall cabinet I need to figure out hinges for.

Any help would be appreciated.


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CWWoodworking

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#1 posted 06-19-2019 12:47 AM

https://publications.blum.com/2018/catalogue/en/93/

Try this link.

It’s not just the hinge you need. The plates are equally important in determining overlay.

Honestly the best solution is to find a local distributor that you can buy from. You can tell them what you want and they will get it. At least that’s what I do. They might also offer other advice.

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Rich

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#2 posted 06-19-2019 01:28 AM

Actually, the Blum web site and other documents and tools are excellent and easy to follow once you figure out how to read them.

In your case, whether you need 110º or 110º+ simply depends on your situation. Both of those hinges are appropriate for your specifications of frameless, 19mm side and 15 mm overlay (it’s easier to just switch to metric when you’re dealing with Blum products and documentation).

So, do you need it to open 110º or wider?

Go to their planning tools page: https://www.blum.com/us/en/services/planning-construction-product-selection/planning-tools/

There you will find a spreadsheet with macros for your frameless cabinets that allows you to simply enter panel thickness, door thickness, overlay, etc. Then choose a wing mounting plate and it’ll tell you what hinge you need.

Remember too, that when you drill the doors, you need to use the correct setback to achieve the overlay you are going for.

I always order my hardware from https://www.woodworkerexpress.com. Not only are their prices good, but their customer service is too. I placed an order once with some incompatible hinge/plate choices and they called me within about 20 minutes and fixed it. I also once screwed up and ordered all left side locks for the drawer runners and they caught that too.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#3 posted 06-20-2019 11:16 PM


...I also have a lazy susan corner base cabinet and a diagonal wall cabinet I need to figure out hinges for…

I installed my first lazy-susan base cabinet in a set of kitchen cabinets built a couple of years ago. Like you, I found the Blum site confusing, but after talking with a local distributor I learned how to use the info. For the LS cabinet you’ll need bifold hinges—here’s a video from YouTube that shows how to install…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopWSY-HUD8

FWIW, I decided to use the same hinges and door configuration for the upper corner cabinet to eliminate that dead-end dark corner. I’ve got more comments on that one feature than anything else in the remodel project!

-- PPBart

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LearningAsIGo

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#4 posted 06-21-2019 02:50 PM


FWIW, I decided to use the same hinges and door configuration for the upper corner cabinet to eliminate that dead-end dark corner. I ve got more comments on that one feature than anything else in the remodel project!

- PPBart

So you made a pie cut upper cabinet also?

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#5 posted 06-21-2019 07:04 PM

FWIW, I decided to use the same hinges and door configuration for the upper corner cabinet to eliminate that dead-end dark corner. I ve got more comments on that one feature than anything else in the remodel project!

- PPBart

So you made a pie cut upper cabinet also?

No, the upper cabinet looks like typical upper cabinets, but the corner cabinet is one L-shaped cabinet with doors on bifold hinges. The doors work just like for the lazy-susan; the shelves inside are standard depth, just with open access into the corner.

-- PPBart

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LearningAsIGo

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#6 posted 06-25-2019 02:49 PM


FWIW, I decided to use the same hinges and door configuration for the upper corner cabinet to eliminate that dead-end dark corner. I ve got more comments on that one feature than anything else in the remodel project!

- PPBart

So you made a pie cut upper cabinet also?

No, the upper cabinet looks like typical upper cabinets, but the corner cabinet is one L-shaped cabinet with doors on bifold hinges. The doors work just like for the lazy-susan; the shelves inside are standard depth, just with open access into the corner.

- PPBart

That’s what I meant by pie cut…looks great.

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#7 posted 06-25-2019 04:59 PM

I’ve found this site to be helpful-

https://www.cshardware.com/kitchen-and-bath/hinges-and-doors/concealed-hinges?manufacturer=Blum

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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Sark

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#8 posted 06-27-2019 08:43 PM

Just my personal experience, but I have found that the bigger the reveal the easier it is to make and install. I used to do 1/8” reveals, which means that each door is sized to be 1/16” smaller than the cabinet opening on each side. You aren’t leaving much room for error. And adjusting a 1/8” reveal between cabinets doors can be very time consuming, because if the the reveals on both sides of opposing doors are not parallel, its very easy to spot. Also you need to have dialed in the plywood thickness and overlays exactly, i.e. is it 3/4” or 19mm for example or even 18mm? The tab distance on the hinges matters more, etc…

So over the years I just adopted 1/4” reveal as my standard, and the cabinets look just fine. It’s a small enough reveal that you get the true European look except easier to make and install.

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#9 posted 06-28-2019 01:37 PM

Just to add some (hopefully) useful information: We recently changed the doors & drawer fronts in our kitchen, & replaced all of the cabinet door hinges. The best prices I could find at the time for the Blum hinges I wanted were through AHTurf.com. They offered a quantity discount on Blum products, don’t recall details.

-- Steve, in Morris County, NJ

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LearningAsIGo

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#10 posted 06-28-2019 03:27 PM


Just to add some (hopefully) useful information: We recently changed the doors & drawer fronts in our kitchen, & replaced all of the cabinet door hinges. The best prices I could find at the time for the Blum hinges I wanted were through AHTurf.com. They offered a quantity discount on Blum products, don t recall details.

- Stevedore

AHTurf has good prices but after I added in shipping to the tune of $70 I ruled them out. I ended up calling cshardware and emailing woodworker express. I think I’ve figured out all of the hinges that I need. I prefer the woodworker express website, but cshardware has the best prices that I’ve found so far.

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#11 posted 06-28-2019 04:04 PM

In our kitchen, circa 1995, we’ve now replaced all of the Blum hinges. They had a small plastic part that closed the doors which broke in most of the hinges beginning at about 12 years of age. Also the hinge body appeared something like cast aluminium, very cool looking, but some of them cracked too. I see really good cabinet builders using Blum, but I don’t know why. The thing I replaced mine with was a very common ( inexpensive) little steel unit with a metal spring in it. For what it’s worth…......

-- Bob "jack of all trades, master of none"

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LeeRoyMan

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#12 posted 06-28-2019 05:00 PM

I see really good cabinet builders using Blum, but I don’t know why.

I’ve been using Blum hinges for as long as I can remember (other brands as well).
I’ve never come across any of the failures you have mentioned.
Today’s hinges and technology have come a long way in the last 24 years.
Blum, Grass, Salice, all make good hinges these days. None should break under normal usage.
Plus, clients love the soft close feature.

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Rich

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#13 posted 06-28-2019 05:11 PM


I see really good cabinet builders using Blum, but I don’t know why.

I ve been using Blum hinges for as long as I can remember (other brands as well).
I ve never come across any of the failures you have mentioned.

- LeeRoyMan

+1

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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LeeRoyMan

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#14 posted 06-28-2019 05:31 PM


I see really good cabinet builders using Blum, but I don’t know why.

I ve been using Blum hinges for as long as I can remember (other brands as well).
I ve never come across any of the failures you have mentioned.

- LeeRoyMan

+1

- Rich


I suppose improper installation could possibly lead to failures.
Hinges need to be parallel with door and Plates need to be parallel with cabinet,
if not that could create stress on the mechanism.

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therealSteveN

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#15 posted 06-28-2019 06:16 PM

You can go cheaper, but Blums always work just like they tell you they do. The thing about hinges, and especially drawer slides is they are heavy. Weight costs a lot to ship.

I have found the best trip to Blum hinges/drawer slides is through Lee Valley. Buy one of their thousand dollar gift cards when they have them on sale for 750 bux.

Wait until they have one of their free shipping events, and buy your hinges/drawer slides with your gift card. A whole lotta years buying these things, and never a better deal. Granted they may not carry the entire line, but I have always been able to find what I needed to make it work.

Can’t just do it whenever you want though, some planning required.

-- Think safe, be safe

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