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Jrock817

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06-12-2019 01:33 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw question

So, I’m looking into buying a new table saw, but I’m getting paralyzed over the insane amount of data, which seems to be mostly opinion-driven in nature. I’m a weekend guy, but I am progressing into making more furniture pieces, and a job site saw just isn’t going to cut it anymore. What I can’t decide, is what saw I can actually buy without regretting? Every time I think I find a decent saw, there are 3000 positives, and negatives to be found. I’m not ready to jump into running a dedicated 220 line to my garage, so I’m limited to the hybrid saws. This will work best for me, especially with the mobile base option. But what is the difference between the rigid 4512, which apparently addressed its issues, and a grizzly, or jet hybrid for up to double the price? For someone not using the saw 40 hours per week, is there enough difference to spend an extra 800 on a different brand? I’m not against spending the money, but I also don’t want to spend 1500 on a saw I can get for 600, that difference gets me a jointer the same day. I should also add that my area has a very dry used market, I have only seen 2 saws within 80 miles of my house that were halfway decent. So new may be my only option, but I do check the standard sites often.


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MPython

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#1 posted 06-12-2019 04:16 PM

Yes, there is a good reason to spend more $$$ on a table saw. More $$$ usually (but not always) equates with better, more precise machining in the manufacture of the saw. That means the saw is easier to adjust and will hold its settings better than a cheaply built saw. There’s nothing more aggravating than a table saw that creeps out of alignment or won’t hold a depth setting or one whose fence won’t stay square with the blade and aligned with the miter slots. Do your homework and find a saw that is well built and holds it’s settings. See what those who own the saw say about it. I was going to suggest that you check out Craigslist, but you addressed that. You’re probably better off with a new saw anyway. That way you don’t run the risk of buying someone else’s lemon. Also, I’ve noticed where I live people selling on Craigslist generally have a highly inflated idea of what their used tools are worth; prices are high. For not a whole lot more money you can buy new.
My $.02.

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Jrock817

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#2 posted 06-12-2019 06:04 PM

I guess my frustration is the astounding amount of conflicting data regarding every single saw. If I look up a new grizzly, there are equal amounts of positive and negative views all over the place. The only agreement people seem to have, is that a 7k sawstop is great, but very expensive

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#3 posted 06-12-2019 06:26 PM

If you can spring for the Grizzly G0771z is one of the best sub $1k saws you can find (freight does put it over the $1k mark though). It has cast iron cabinet mounted trunnions unlike the table mounted trunnions of the Ridgid. Also all cast iron top and wings instead of cast main and steel wings. Fence is better on the Grizzly too not that the Ridgid is terrible or anything. One downside of the Grizzly is adding a mobile base if necessary.

-- Jarrett - Mount Vernon, Ohio

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Mike_in_STL

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#4 posted 06-12-2019 06:37 PM

I’m going to interject my opinions here so take it all with a grain of salt. I’m in the process of upgrading myself from this old saw.

Take a look at the Laguna Hybrid offerings in the Fusion F1 and F2. 1.75 HP 120V 1PH hybrid saw. All the stability of a cabinet saw with built in portability/mobility.

My breaker panel is in my garage shop so 220V was a no brainer decision.

I ordered a Laguna F3 in January only to wait 6 months to be told that the product is being discontinued and I can’t have it.

I wasn’t happy and opted for a refund and was dead set on saving up for a Sawstop, what’s another $1800 on top of the $1700 I already spent? Fast forward a few days and my supplier calls me back and wants to talk. They worked a deal with Laguna and I’m being upgraded to the 4HP Dovetail saw at no more cost.

I pleasantly surprised and taken aback at the service level at this time. Time will tell what the quality of the saw is, but I can’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Most of the reviews I’ve found are positive.

There are a lot of options now, and I agree, a “contractor saw” just won’t cut the mustard for the type of work I want to perform.

-- Sawdust makes me whole --Mike in STL

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Knockonit

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#5 posted 06-12-2019 09:39 PM

go big or go home, so to speak, run the 220, then option for a decent used saw comes easier, jmo though, once you use a powerful saw, you won’t want anything else.
best of luck on choice, lot like buying shoes wont know the fit till you do a mile or so.
Rj in az

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#6 posted 06-12-2019 11:55 PM

I am going to have to disagree with at least one previous poster. I think a well made contractor style saw will work just fine for you. I can’t recommend the current Ridgid because I have never used it. However, I owned an older generation Ridgid contractor saw for about 10 years and I found it to be just as precise as the cabinet saw I have today. It is true that cabinet mounted trunions are easier to adjust but it wasn’t that bad to do it on my Ridgid and I only had to do it once the whole time I owned it. I bought a cabinet saw because it is more powerful and is more enjoyable to use. However, it won’t do any better work than the old Ridgid I sold. Sometimes, I wish I had kept it as a dedicated Dado cutting machine.

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#7 posted 06-13-2019 12:48 AM

I vote for a full size cabinet saw mostly because the fence will be better. Contractor saws that are mobile are just too lite weight and some have very flimsy fences. Ridged does make some decent tools and I’ve never use one of their tablesaws. So if art says it’s good I believe him.
Bosch also makes a good portable saw but there’s a lot of plastic and lite weight parts. For the long haul a stationery cabinet saw with a heavy fence.

-- Aj

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SSotolongo

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#8 posted 06-13-2019 03:18 AM



So, I’m looking into buying a new table saw, but I’m getting paralyzed over the insane amount of data, which seems to be mostly opinion-driven in nature. I’m a weekend guy, but I am progressing into making more furniture pieces, and a job site saw just isn’t going to cut it anymore. What I can’t decide, is what saw I can actually buy without regretting? Every time I think I find a decent saw, there are 3000 positives, and negatives to be found. I’m not ready to jump into running a dedicated 220 line to my garage, so I’m limited to the hybrid saws.

Because it is opinion driven. Everything has it’s positives and negatives. There is no perfect saw or the “best” saw. Only the one that’s best for you. With time your needs will also change. Sure there are new saws with lots of cool gizmos, but do you really need all that? I picked up a used one on Craigslist. Would it be nice to have a new mack daddy cabinet saw? Sure, but I know the Craftsman 22114 I got will do just fine. I paid $150 ( everything in South Florida is overpriced, but it came with an upgraded fence.) I’m not worried about the saw constantly being out of alignment and it has the power the job site saw I had before just didn’t have. I’m not mass producing furniture here so I’m happy with it.

Don’t be afraid of a dedicated 220 line. It really isn’t that hard to do. As long as your panel has the space you can do it yourself. I did it myself for less than $100 in materials.

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Aj2

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#9 posted 06-13-2019 03:38 AM

Not sure I agree with SSotolongo I feel like I have the best perfect saw. But here’s the catch it’s my 5th table saw. :( :)
My current saw
I can spin a 12 inch blade and cut a full 4 inches.

-- Aj

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clin

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#10 posted 06-13-2019 04:46 AM

I wouldn’t make too big an issue out of adding a 240 V circuit. Obviously every situation is unique, but it is little more than adding a circuit breaker, and some wire. Of course there are details and it must be done to code, but it generally is not a big deal.

I think if you are trying to find the saw that 95% of people say is great, you’ll never get there. There are too many saws, and to a large degree, they all do the same thing (motor turns blade). Of course more expensive gives you more power, precision, and durability.

It seems to me your suffering from analysis paralysis. I think you’ll be happy with any of the well known major brands. You’ll likely be happier with a cabinet saw over a contractor saw. I’d put some weight on where you get the saw. While unlikely with quality brands, EVERY brand can have problems. Unless you want to pay 10X more for a product, they can’t be produced to military specs with 100% testing. So sometimes problems will be found, from trivial to major. A table saw is a big heavy thing that is VERY difficult to ship back if needed. So if you can get it local, that may be really helpful in the unlikely, but still real possibility of having to return the saw.

Myself, I bought a SawStop 3HP PCS about 4 years ago. Very high quality saw with less chance of hurting myself. It was relatively expensive, but I’ve never regretted it.

Also, I don’t think anyone ever regrets getting the best saw they can afford. But many regret not springing for a higher quality saw. So I’d definitely stretch a little to get more saw now and avoid regretting it later.

-- Clin

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therealSteveN

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#11 posted 06-13-2019 06:24 AM

In your profile I do not see a location. Nothing exact needed, whatever part of the state you are in, works to set a part of the country where you are.

Set up a thread asking if anyone has a nice TS they are looking to sell. See what is really out there. It is possible to buy a lightly used saw, where someone upgraded, and hasn’t yet traded off what they had. Usually much lower entry price point, and sometimes it could be more saw than you thought was available to you. If you don’t ask, they won’t come knock on your door. These likely are not saws you will see posted, as many tools trade among owners, than are bought at a sales place.

-- Think safe, be safe

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Jrock817

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#12 posted 06-13-2019 01:10 PM

Thank you all for chiming in. I think I will have a 220 line placed and start a thread over in my area, and then keep searching. I have extended even my CL area, and there are a few nice 220 saws available for a great price. I just didn’t think I needed the extra power, but the more I search, the more people say it is the better decision. Thanks again for the replies.

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zoro39

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#13 posted 06-13-2019 01:41 PM

Good move!
220 volt line and a good used cabinet table saw is the way to go.
John J

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Charlie H.

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#14 posted 06-17-2019 12:11 AM

For hobbyist use if the budget allows, the SawStop PCS is an easy choice that is a lifetime purchase (and FWIW it doesn’t cost $7k). If the budget isn’t there for the SS and buying new then Grizzly looks like the obvious choice based on bang for the buck.

IMO a modern riving knife is such an important safety feature I would not buy a tablesaw without one regardless of how great some of the ‘old iron’ tablesaw are made out to be.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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#15 posted 06-17-2019 09:14 PM

I’ve been using the Grizzly 0771Z Hybred for two years now, and very satisfied.

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