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06-09-2019 03:37 AM

I am replacing my 1/2 inch bowl gouge. My 2 options are Hurricane and Sorby. What is the difference between them besides price and county thanks


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#1 posted 06-09-2019 11:20 AM

Seems most venders are using English versus America standard measurement for their bowl gouges. So English actually 1/8” larger than stated size. Do you need a 1/2” or 5/8” gouge. If only need 1/2” save yourself some money & buy 3/8” gouge.

Hurricane ½” bowl gouge 5/8” bar stock https://www.thewoodturningstore.com/hurricane-1-2-bowl-gouge-from-5-8-round-bar-stock-high-speed-steel-w-handle/

You would get more bang for your bucks buying this Hurricane set.
https://www.thewoodturningstore.com/hurricane-three-piece-bowl-gouge-set-3-8-1-2-5-8-high-speed-steel-w-handles/

Sorby 1/2” actually 5/8”
http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=packard&Product_Code=108723&Category_Code=tools-srby-bg

Not sure prices of Ashley Isles, Crown, Hamlet, Henry Taylor but might save buing Thompson and making your own handle!

http://thompsonlathetools.com/product-category/bowl-gouges/

-- Bill

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#2 posted 06-09-2019 11:48 AM

what is the difference between hurricane and Sorby BRAND

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#3 posted 06-09-2019 12:19 PM

Price! You already said that! How long are the usable flutes? Don’t know!
With 21 variations of HSS have no idea which is better. Own Crown, Henry Taylor, Sorby, & Thompson bowl gouges and all are great tools!

Price wise Thompson exotic steel gouge bigger bang for your money!

-- Bill

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#4 posted 06-09-2019 03:41 PM

never mind other brands I only want a comparison of Hurricane an Sorby.

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#5 posted 06-09-2019 07:56 PM

Problem here is your comparing apples & oranges vendors specify grade of steel they buy wherever it’s made, they don’t provide a chemical break down for comparison. Can only assume Sorby gouges costing twice as much as Hurricane’s must be better quality. Lot has to do with the turner and not the cost of his or her tool too!

If all things were equal might mean the more expensive tool would require less trips to the grinder. In many cases that’s true but not all! Some species of wood even from the same tree can give us fits. That’s why even turners with years of experience check their progress as they turn. They either continue turning or touch up their tool or switch to different tool!

More than few turners here have said Hurricane tools one setp up in quality from PSI’s BB tools. So if your really ready to step up in quality and buy better get a Sorby or any other brands already mentoned here.

-- Bill

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#6 posted 06-09-2019 08:06 PM

Thanks Bill that is what i needed, I’ll do the sorby if I can

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#7 posted 06-09-2019 09:40 PM

“vendors specify grade of steel they buy wherever it’s made, they don’t provide a chemical break down for comparison. Can only assume Sorby gouges costing twice as much as Hurricane’s must be better quality.”

We know from Bad News Bears what happens when we assume. Just because something costs 2x its folly to assume it must be better quality. As you said mfrs dont provide their steel specs.

“More than few turners here have said Hurricane tools one setp up in quality from PSI’s BB tools.”

I may be the only one, but I own both and give a slight nod to BB.

Karda, if you get a sorby post a comparison to your BB. Im mainly interested in flute length, shape, edge life of the steel.

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#8 posted 06-09-2019 10:12 PM

I can compare P&N and BB The P&N is a deep V flue 6” flute. It is more aggressive than The BB. It moves more wood on hollowing. I sharpened my BB for a bottom feeder and it does well. I wish I could get another but P&N is out of business.

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#9 posted 06-09-2019 10:27 PM

I agree with how Bill compared tool quality.
My first set of tools as a beginner were Sorby. They have been good tools, and I still have them.
So right after I got them, it was pointed out to me that they are made of Steel from Sheffield England.
Apparently that’s really good tool steel. And it was also pointed out to me that most of the English tools are made of the same steel.
So try not to limit yourself as I did. Sorby, Crown, Henry Taylor, to name a few. Same steel, different prices.
Check length of flute. Best bang for the buck.

-- John

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#10 posted 06-09-2019 11:06 PM

ok thanks

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#11 posted 06-10-2019 12:12 PM

Not knocking BB’s, Hurricane, or Harbor Freight’s HSS tools, none of those were available when got into turning wood. I am embarrassed to tell you what my first set of tools cost back then!

First to say cost of tools don’t make you a woodturner! My first step up in quality turning tool was red handle skews (1/2” & 1”) and roughing gouge bought in store. Imagine my dismay when found out those tools often went on sale for less money. My next step up in quality was a massive buy from Crafts Supplies, that got me free shipping. Don’t know if they still do that today. Because got quanity discound bought Henry Taylor & Sorby spindle & bowl gouges and heavy duty scrapers. Except for spindle a bowl gouges still have some of those tools. Along the way replaced some of those tools with their Artsisan spindle gouges & skews would tell you to look else where today for better value. Those artisan tools made by Henry Taylor.
Picked up a 5/8” Crown HSS bowl gouge at Woodworker’s supplies on a trip back home from turning syposium, retired that tool few years back and replaced it with same size Thompson. Dicovered & bought P & N spindle gouges, & Henry Talylor, and Hamlet 1/4” roundf skew & other supplies from Packard Woodworks along the way.

To sum it up could name best suppliers of woodturners tools on one hand or two first starting out. That’s no longer true today! Lot of the steel mills in Sheffield England have closed down. Tool vendors there buy steel from around the world. Cutting to size, putting handle & bevel on the tool counts as manufacturing today. Yes, lot of steel comes from China today and new vendors buy complete tools & sets and sell them for lot less than name brand tools! What hasn’t changed is some vendors offering quanity discounts if buy more than one tool at a time or running sales on select tools. That’s why have recommended both Craft Supplies & Packard Woodworks for years!

Have never stopped saying buy what you can afford!

-- Bill

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#12 posted 06-11-2019 05:14 AM

I have both Sorby and Hurricane and I can’t tell a lot of difference. As to size the Hurricane are sized by the UK standard but they do not say where they are made; they may be made in PRC and speced to UK. At best I would say the Sorby stays sharp 50% longer but it hard to tell since I only resharpen twice at the most in a single turning (item).

-- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

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#13 posted 06-11-2019 05:18 AM

ok thanks

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#14 posted 06-11-2019 07:39 AM

The type of high speed is more important than the brand. I wouldn’t buy anything made of M2. M42 is vastly superior, it will get significantly sharper and will cut at least twice as long. Powdered metal tech is even better, after using a tool made from it you won’t be happy going back. You really have to use it to believe how much better it is.

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#15 posted 06-11-2019 01:01 PM

One other thing that you may want to consider, Karda, is flute shape. If you like the gouge you are replacing, look for the same flute shape in your replacement. V shape, U shape, and parabolic shape remove wood quite differently, all other things being equal.

-- Grant Wilkinson, Ottawa ON

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