Good News: Found a Emmert Patternmakers Vise -- Bad News: Black Widow in Car

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Forum topic by GrizzlyBagWorks posted 06-01-2019 04:34 PM 2525 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-01-2019 04:34 PM

After a few years of hunting for an Emmert Patternmakers vise I finally found a complete turtleback model locally. The condition is excellent except for a crack in the mount plate, which I will braze back together. I couldn’t be more thrilled about this vise. I have a beautiful vintage Ulmia bench that I do most of my hand tool work on but have been wanting a vise like this for a secondary bench. This is a larger 18”x7” model. I’ll be repainted and turned a new handle for it.

That’s the good news. The bad news is that the vise must have had a black widow hidden somewhere in it when I picked it up. I stupidly left the vise in the car overnight in an attempt to hide another tool acquisition from my wife, :). I was able to smuggle the vise out with her noticing but was too late. Something escaped.

The next day my wife goes to take the car and she comes in and tells me there’s a big spider’s web in the footwell of the driver side of the car. I went to take a look and wipe the web away. As soon as I touched it I was like “uh oh”. If you’re familiar with black widow’s webs you know they have a very distinct feel and look. Very sticky, a tangled mess and very strong. I knew right away. The fact that it made the trip all the way from the back of the SUV to the front is also disturbing. It passed right by my 1 year old sons car seat.

She doesn’t want to drive the car and I can’t for the life of me find this damn spider. Any suggestions on how to get thing out? Females can live 1-3 years (!!). With no source of food, I’m not sure how long though.

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#1 posted 06-01-2019 04:38 PM

“for a song” How much is that?

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#2 posted 06-01-2019 05:08 PM


Bug Bombs for Spiders



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#3 posted 06-01-2019 05:16 PM

If left in the sun with the windows closed, would that be hot enough to end the standoff?

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#4 posted 06-01-2019 05:16 PM

“for a song” How much is that?

About 1/2 what I was expecting to pay.

Bug Bombs for Spiders

I thought about it but this is the car we drive our 1 year old around in. Not sure how I feel about the idea of bombing the car with chemicals. Great idea though! I’ll consider it as a last ditch effort.

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#5 posted 06-01-2019 05:16 PM

Time to go car shopping. That is going to be an expensive vise.

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#6 posted 06-01-2019 05:27 PM

They do not like hot environments, so chances are it has already vacated the car after a day or two of feeling the heat. I’d consider them gone until you see egg sacs. At that point, the mother will be visible in the web tending the eggs and easy to remove.


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#7 posted 06-01-2019 05:39 PM

“for a song” How much is that?

About 1/2 what I was expecting to pay.

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#8 posted 06-01-2019 08:22 PM

boy howdy, here in Az. the heat doesn’t seem to bother them they hid in the dark, but the heat in summer is atrocious here, so not sure of the heat repellent use
Rj in az

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#9 posted 06-01-2019 08:26 PM

Black widows are pretty passive. You can call your local game warden and they may know of someone who will come and catch it to use for milking. I gave three to a local warden who in turn donated them for venom research at a local college.
Nice vise.

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#10 posted 06-01-2019 10:51 PM

Eh my garage is full of black widows. We have a gentlemans agreement to leave each other alone. Once one got in the travel trailer though and i kept ripping the webs away and finally got the hint.

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#11 posted 06-01-2019 11:27 PM

Put those sticky spider traps around in the car for a couple of days. If you don’t catch it, consider it gone.

On a similar note, I used to have lots of spiders in my shop, garage, and to some extent in the house. I’ve been using a product called Miss Muppett’s Revenge (available through Amazon), and no more spiders. Just spray it around the bottom of the doors and in the corners between the floor and walls. You’ll have no more spiders for about a year.

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#12 posted 06-02-2019 12:10 AM

Large Spiders?
Five me the instant start Propane Torch!
The Bernzomatic heat shrink torch is great for burning bugs, but any instant on torch works. :)

I use the torch as primary bug killer to reduce pesticide use?
Kill hundreds of spiders with torch every year.

Here in AZ, Spiders, especially Black widows are everywhere. If knock the web down, they sometimes take the hint and go elsewhere, but not very often? When they get big enough see the red spot; I torch all of them before they multiply. Torch makes fast work of removing webs too.

Unless you are scared of spiders and prefer to use long distance wasp/hornet spray; Torch is also the only way to kill bloody Wolf spiders when going into hand-hand combat. They look like a miniature tarantula, and carry live off spring on their backs. Can’t smash them as the babies jump off and scatter and have real mess. Torch usually wipes out entire flock in a second or two. :)
Baby wolf spiders live in bubble nest in 90 degree corners of foundation and walls. I see than all time on corners of garage, as they collect saw dust. Quick pass with torch along the corner, and the web + spiders + dust are gone.

If I don’t go hunting for the bug parents feeding and fornicating just after sunset every couple weeks with torch, need to spray once a month like my neighbors. Neighbors drive me nuts with monthly pest control service, as can always tell when exterminator visited; population in my back yard explodes.
PS – torch is good for BBQ’ing scorpions too.

Thanks for reminder, I need to get out the UV flashlight and go scorpian hunting this month. Forgot I saw one walking down the sidewalk yesterday.


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#13 posted 06-02-2019 01:02 PM

If you have a one year old in the car I’m thinking the spider will find SOME food. Good luck, hope you get it resolved.

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#14 posted 06-02-2019 04:31 PM

When I worked as a mechanic, any color engine paint put instant death on black widows. There were a lot that got a moly orange paint job, as I hot rodded a lot of Chevies. Can’t use that inside a car, though. You could try and vacuum the thing out, I suppose. But you’d have to check the filter bag to see if you got it. BTW, baby and immature black widows are gray/green striped and hatch by the hundreds. Their fangs aren’t long enough to penetrate human skin, though. If you see them, just vacuum them up, too.

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#15 posted 06-02-2019 05:01 PM

Praying mantis will eat spiders. So will alligator lizards. After they eat all the spiders you’ll need to find a snake that will eat the mantis and Lizards. Then a mongoose to eat the snakes.
I’m not sure what will kill a mongoose a badger?
It’s too complicated never mind. :)

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