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05-29-2019 01:20 AM

Topic tags/keywords: home camera security

To those that somewhat know about me here on LJ’s, I was smack in the middle of my roubo bench build a couple months ago when a close friend had a house break in while she was not at home, luckily. After some time reflecting on house security, I came to realize I have NONE except 2 cats & a deadbolt.
I stopped everything and dove into the home security prevention arena. I now have a Blue Iris dedicated computer and 9 cameras (probably more to come) with 5 outside, 4 inside (including workshop…but might add a second).
I just wanted to toss something out there I have learned since many folks like to have their workshop in their car garage. A burglar can easily break into your car garage in 15 seconds with something as simple as a coat hangar. He/she pushes the top middle door so it bends inwards enough to stick a coat hanger up to catch the trolley manual safety lever. Whalla. See for yourself on YouTube. Kind of amazing at it’s brute simplicity and quickness.
Easy way to fix this is to use plastic tie between the lever and the trolley, and also remove the rope/handle.

For those looking into home camera system, contact me if you want to hear my experiences, opinions (I’m not professional…but the folks at ipcamtalk.com really help me start out.
I decided no cloud based system (aka, RING), no cameras on the internet, going to use VPN, no wireless cameras, bleh bleh bleh.

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-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"


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#1 posted 05-29-2019 12:53 PM

Please share your experiences here on LJ. It would be interesting and useful. I do not have cameras but would like some and to stay away from cloud based.

My garage door will not flex at the top and I have security latches in the tracks for when we are gone for more than a day.

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#2 posted 05-29-2019 01:08 PM

Thanks for posting.

-- "The only limits to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today." - FDR

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#3 posted 05-29-2019 08:17 PM

To get my door open it has to be pulled hard but it has windows so they can always be broke. I installed cameras myself. I didn’t want to go for the cloud service or wireless either. They are simple to install and have a recorder that saves the info for 8 days. I used the Lorex equipment.

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#4 posted 05-29-2019 10:23 PM

Security is losing battle. If I want your stuff bad enough, you lose it.
IMHO – heavy security will only stop the honest folks from making a bad decision.

That said, couple of tips:

1) Use a local recorder, with a battery back up for all cameras and recorder. First thing I do is cut your phone and cable lines; and turn off the power. 2nd thing is black spray paint on camera lenses.

2) Can not rely on web based systems to record video. Can sometimes trust that Cellular radio link heartbeat for the security feed will notify the central switch board that power/phone/internet is off, but when hitting high end homes we use cell phone jammer to knock out all local cell phones. They also stop the 911 calls if we mess up and find you home, or neighbor sees something. A cellular radio signal jammer costs < $250.

3) Make sure you hide the recorder in an unusual and hidden location. Best to build a secret, hidden box/panel in the dead space of a wall. First thing I do is look for cameras, and recorders. The recorder comes with me as I leave. I will pull wires out of the drywall from the camera to find the recorder, be sure to staple the camera wires to many studs. I like wireless cameras better. It is much easy to find wireless signals in home with sniffer. If my ‘cameras for thieves 101’ app is working on my phone, can break through most recorder firewalls in about 2 minutes and erase the hard drive, even if I can not find it.

4) Nothing small and of significant value should ever be visible from a window. Only shows me which window to break to make money quickly from a smash and grab.

5) We only steal large stationary appliance and power tools, when you are on vacation. It is easier in morning when everyone is at work, package deliveries have not started yet in neighborhood, the day after you leave and neighbors aren’t sure you have left yet. They are very heavy, and it takes about 20-30 minutes to get inside, and load that stuff up quietly; plus you need extra helpers which draw attention.

6) Idiots love to smash garage door windows, grab all the expensive hand tools they can carry, and leave in 30 seconds or less. By time you react to the alarm, find your gun, and get to the garage they are long gone; security system or not. Stupid criminals are only ones that get caught via camera. Black paint, black clothes, hooded sweat shirts, and latex gloves; are cheap at Walmart. Party city ALWAYS has mask(s) for sale.

PS – Having a cynical bipolar kind of day, sorry if this worries anyone. Am not a thief.
In a super secret role, worked on asset security for high value electronics. Had to think like a thief to see what little hope there is of stopping hard theft, by serious criminals. With some luck, properly set up cameras will detect ordinary people coming and leaving an area; that will be wearing the same shoes and pants as that jerk in hoody and clown mask that robs you.
If not, I am sorry you became another crime statistic with no hope of catching the jerk.
HaHa :) or :( ?

Best Luck.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#5 posted 05-29-2019 10:55 PM


Security is losing battle. If I want your stuff bad enough, you lose it.
IMHO – heavy security will only stop the honest folks from making a bad decision.

FBI facts:
- There are 1,495,790 burglaries during the day. Break ins are 6% more likely to occur during the day between 6am and 6pm while people are at work or running errands. There are 1,324,090 burglaries during the night. The cover of night brings security for intruders but also means people are more likely be home.
- Burglars are most attracted to homes that do not have a home security system, but only 17% of houses have a system in place. Homes without a security system are 300% more likely to be burglarized.
- 83% admitted that they specifically look to see if there’s an alarm; 60% would change their mind if there was one installed.

I’m not trying to defeat Jason Bourne :) I am trying to pursue a deterrent than having nothing at all.
Cameras are not the 100% answer. I am also in talks with my neighbors and discussing neighborhood security. Everything helps.
On my list… my first ever actual pistol for home, and even possibly 2 medium sized dogs (I’ve always had dogs or cats so this would be kinda great anyways!). Oh…and a License Plate Reader camera that also captures video/pix of humans/cars entering into our dead end street.
But you do make good points, Capt. Things to consider.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#6 posted 05-30-2019 03:53 AM

Holbs, good on you for bringing this up, an important thing to discuss.

There are some places to get ideas for a safer, more secure home, problem is so many are designed to scare you into buying their product.

I think my contribution is saying to get to know your neighbors. Once you do, you automatically have an extra set of eyes looking your way, if they think you are also looking their way. A lot of folks are home employed, or retired, and knowing them you can have full time lookouts, not just to record what is happening (not that this is bad) but to dial 911 in your absence.

I’ve been where I live for 9 years now. It’s a fairly busy State highway, just 2 lanes, but 24/7 traffic flowing on it. A lot of that traffic is coming to our nice little area of medium nice homes, and some of these folks are trash (apparently) We have arrested 4 individuals since my moving in, who were in the act of a B&E, all during daytime hours. 911 and the Sheriffs around us, are tuned in to our presence, and they seem to be friendly, so I think we have some fans. We are NOT known to them to be in a high crime area, but what we are is being near to areas where drug addiction is the norm, and these “things” go out looking for quick cash, as the thought of working doesn’t interest them. Smash and grab is all they have time in their busy lives for.

The other is to spend a minute looking at you tube about bumping locks

ChuckM had a post about an easy fix to that. alternatively you can buy hangers that do the same, or buy new locks, or have a locksmith upgrade your current locks to bump proof design.

Compared to all the racket and visible activity a garage door breach has, a door lock bump can be done on the move, so fast it looks from 5’ as if the person going in had to have a key.

That guys garage door in the video is still easy for a FAT lady to crawl over the door in that huge gap he has. Plus if I am on vacay, my garage doors on the house, and the shop have the bolt thrown into the frame, and a padlock on it.

My Wife and I had looked at a couple of the home kits from a few of the Natl vendors. She couldn’t get behind it if the “camera’s” could be co-opted, and any film could be snatched. We didn’t see as how you could be guaranteed of that not happening, not to mention a company that had that access, is also a company with perverts wanting jobs there.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#7 posted 05-30-2019 03:58 AM

- Burglars are most attracted to homes that do not have a home security system, but only 17% of houses have a system in place.
- Holbs

You can make a sign, plant 2 or 3 of them with a paper cut out a picture, and glaze it onto a piece of wood with a toothpick base, so your yard tells them you are one of the 17% WITH a system. That is all they look at, none of them get real close and look for wires.

Putting a “I have a gun” sign, just tells them there are guns to be had. Use a sign that resembles a company.

Put them partially behind a shrub, they are there, but not to be picked apart. Remember these are to warn off people wanting a fix, they are hurting for the next buzz. Some guy like they show in the mooovees who can take the Queens diamonds, he ain’t interested in your silly stuff, and if he was you’d just note it wasn’t there any more.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#8 posted 05-30-2019 04:15 AM


My Wife and I had looked at a couple of the home kits from a few of the Natl vendors. She couldn t get behind it if the “camera s” could be co-opted, and any film could be snatched. We didn t see as how you could be guaranteed of that not happening, not to mention a company that had that access, is also a company with perverts wanting jobs there.

- therealSteveN

Unsure of your skills at computers & networking. But my setup is as follows currently:
Blue Iris software (views & controls the cameras) on a dinky older i7 CPU computer. 9 cameras of the Dahua make with 2 megapixel Starlight tech which is the one of the top of the line consumer grade night time hardware (anything above 2MP at night only creates visual noise). All cameras are on their own subnet so they never see the internet and no one can access them for nefarious reasons. I am still in the midst of learning this stuff but I know not to ‘port forward’ anything but instead use VPN for remote viewing.
I am considering buying a firewall or building my own.

- Burglars are most attracted to homes that do not have a home security system, but only 17% of houses have a system in place.
- Holbs

You can make a sign and glaze it onto a piece of wood with a toothpick base, so your yard tells them you are one of the 17% WITH a system. That is all they look at, none of them get real close and look for wires.


might have to look into that :)

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#9 posted 05-30-2019 04:22 AM

I like this:
Authentic, Double-Sided Security Decals
Larger 3” x 3” ADT Issued
8 Decals Total to Help Ensure All Potential Intruders are Warned
Free Same or Next Day Shipping

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#10 posted 06-13-2019 08:59 PM

I have a security system.
Neighbor across the street watches me like a hawk.(A bit intrusive, but might be handy someday)
Lake in the backyard.
Cameras all around.
Dog that barks when anyone is around.
No crime at all in my town. (mostly Mennonite)
And everyone in town is armed.

I think I am covered.

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#11 posted 06-14-2019 01:57 AM

I’d rather put up a sign and corresponding system that tells the potential thief “you are not fire resistant” or at the easiest access point “front toward enemy”

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#12 posted 06-14-2019 11:04 AM

I would like to hear more about non cloud based camera systems.

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#13 posted 06-14-2019 01:43 PM


I would like to hear more about non cloud based camera systems.

- Redoak49


head over to www.ipcamtalk.com for some readings. This site mostly caters to non cloud based systems (mostly) for the DIY’r.
I decided this route due to the wanting to get away from everything on the internet aspect due to computer hackers, relying on the internet that can easily fail or be jammed or cut off, etc. And of course, the more cheaper economical solution without reoccurring monthly fees.
Example: the mighty famous Ring camera system. All images and video are uploaded to a cloud server. Where, at a Ring tech center the technicians have been caught watching whatever vids/images they want regardless of privacy. Spooky. I’m talking outdoor cams and also inside the house cams.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#14 posted 06-14-2019 09:45 PM

Redoak usually the systems with a hard drive you dont need a cloud server.

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#15 posted 06-14-2019 11:45 PM


Redoak usually the systems with a hard drive you dont need a cloud server.

- corelz125

correct. I have a 2 TB purple (the color means it should be dedicated for constant recording for DVR/NVR).
Nothing in my router is port forwarded (other computer folks could jump in about the pro’s / con’s for this). Instead, the use of VPN is recommended for remote viewing of cameras outside your house.
I can get alerted via email or text message or via the remote smartphone app itself of trigger events/notifications. No cloud required, no monthly fees required. Did have to purchase the Blue Iris software for $40 I think, same for individual IP cameras (dahua/hikvision brands are rated very high from $100-$150), and the used i7-4770 cpu based dedicated server ($200). Ran my own Cat6 through out the house (no wireless for me…can be jammed or hacked).

I guess cloud based systems work great for the non-computer tech inclined because there are some techy stuff you have to do for a DIY setup.
If the internet goes out or cut, the camera’s still record. I could get a secondary internet backup (wireless ISP such as Cradlepoint or such). But I’m only taking this security stuff so far.
I have 3 reasons for a local based recording system instead of cloud based:
1.) no monthly fee involved. you can review what’s out there (adt, ring, etc). Some things are free until they decide to nickel and dime you with additional fees and surcharges, etc.
2.) nobody can hack into my cameras such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkkIhxEEXGI . Since not cloud based, my cameras never see the internet so nobody can control them or hack them. If my internet goes out due to storm or someone cutting my Spectrum coax outside cable, they still record.
3.) I’m not locked into one brand. Mostly, I purchase the best bang for the buck (Duhua’s) but I could easily buy other makes and models, and unlimited expandibility (not locked into 8 only cameras). With Blue Iris, it does have integration to other software platforms. Not much is proprietary.
oh…#4.) I do not want some dude in wife beater tshirt and socks watching any of my cameras (hay…I do have girlfriends over!). Same goes for govt.
  • please note, I’m still a novice at this stuff. Learning as I go. But really has opened my eyes to home defense and security that I want to both learn and do more than nothing at all which is what I’ve been doing for years

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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