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Forum topic by cvalley posted 05-27-2019 09:02 PM 842 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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cvalley

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05-27-2019 09:02 PM

I received this comment on 5/24/19 Your dresser looks very nice. One suggestion for you in the future is to try to use continuous grain pattern across a level of drawers so they flow naturally. With plain sawn oak the grain pattern is very prominent and when adjacent drawers are very different the effect takes away from the overall look. Personally, I prefer to use quarter sawn oak for drawer fronts and match them sequentially across the dresser.

OK I can take constructive criticism the individual made his point. Whether I agree with him is another point. I know there is a lot to be said about grain matching for presentation and appeal.

This was my response; “I made this about four years ago and I’m still learning grain matching. I really do not prefer to use flat sawn wood as it resembles plywood too much. But my sawmill had a limited supply for me to choose from. The customer was happy and that is important.”

The next day his response came;
My comment to you was a suggestion that I have learned thru my own trial and error. While it may have been acceptable to your customer, when the grain is that mis-matched it is not a comfortable look. I typically go to my sawmill with a cutting diagram and notes about areas that need subdued grain or matching grain. Often it ends up meaning I will waste some wood but I am happier with the result.

I do not like to make suggestions which might sound negative to some on the public threads.

Well I didn’t see it until Memorial day and I took it very bad as his remark was was dragging me through the gutter AGAIN (when the grain is that mis-matched ) is an unnecessary comment that can’t be considered good writing skills.) That comment while it wasn’t the complete jist of his point was in poor taste and he should have known better than using any language that is that harsh. I have felt askew all day now simply because his lack of tact.

My response to his second post;
when the grain is that mis-matched” Come on now, don’t you feel you’re pushing the whole mis matched a LITTLE too much? I couldn’t be that harsh to a fellow woodworker. Point was taken on your first post. LET IT GO!

Now this individual has blocked me rather than see his original post pushed the envelope to his opinion. and his second post only served to push his opinion again not taking my feelings or my opinion into account.

So now I’ve blocked him too. I didn’t join Lumberjocks to get into verbal confrontations resulting into bad feelings. I don’t feel this individual showed good taste in pointing out flaws that he could see.

I’ll reserve posting projects now as the unsettled feeling I now have isn’t worth it.


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#1 posted 05-27-2019 09:31 PM

Wow! I just read all of what you and the know it all critic said. What he said was uncalled for and not what this site is about. Don’t let this guy stop you from enjoying this site. We are all here to help each other and learn. Evidently this guy just wan’t to to show off by criticizing your work I guess some people get a good feeling when knocking down someones work. Nothing is perfect in this world so the saying goes people that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I wouldn’t let this guy change me one bit! I stand with you! And I too would block him if I know who he was.
Give yourself some time and bring us more of your great work again! I’m looking forward to it especially after seeing your wonderful workshop! I’m still drooling!
Your buddy Tony

-- St Augustine FL, Experience is the sum of our mistakes!

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#2 posted 05-27-2019 09:59 PM

OK, this is interesting. The first thing I thought when I saw the dresser project was that you did a nice job matching the grain. Go figure.

Regarding the commenter, ignore it. You do beautiful work. Nothing anyone says about my work on this site is going to ruin my day. Don’t let it ruin yours. It’s a holiday so relax and enjoy it.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#3 posted 05-27-2019 10:37 PM

Getting matching grain on drawer fronts is fairly easy with plywood. Solid wood is another story altogether. I think you did an outstanding job matching the grain on those drawer fronts especially with limited wood to choose from. Don’t worry about the block there are a few people here that like to criticize but can’t handle it when it comes back at them.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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cvalley

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#4 posted 05-27-2019 10:55 PM

I really don’t want to disclose the individual. My intent wasn’t to discredit him to the masses but point out that his opinion was OK but that’s it, he didn’t need to drag me through it again. Yes it’s a holiday and he made me feel bad all day. So I’d just as soon avoid him. You guys that posted in my favor have helped me recover some dignity and I very much appreciate it.
Cheers, Clare

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#5 posted 05-28-2019 12:00 AM

The dresser is very nice. I’ve had a few somewhat similar experiences as well as some smart-a$$ comments over the years here. Block ‘em (thats why its there) and move on. Unfortunately some people dont know when to quit. Poor social skills made worse through hiding behind a computer – face to face most of this type of garbage wouldnt happen.

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#6 posted 05-28-2019 01:35 AM

Welcome to Lumber Jocks- or as I call it – the “arena”. IMO whatever you post here is open for comment, both the project or what you write.
From what you described above… ” it takes 2 to dance” Stop dancing and BLOCK that person.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#7 posted 05-28-2019 01:40 AM

Ps I love the feral cat shelter project that you made!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again as stated above BLOCK…

-- Desert_Woodworker

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JCamp

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#8 posted 05-28-2019 01:44 AM

Lol. There’s always a few thorns around us roses. Lol

-- Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might

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#9 posted 05-28-2019 01:47 AM

Where is Alaska Guy and his sage wisdom?

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#10 posted 05-28-2019 01:50 AM

I think you might be taking it a bit too personally. Who cares what some stranger on the internet thinks. If you like it you can take the criticism or leave it.

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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#11 posted 05-28-2019 02:05 AM



I think you might be taking it a bit too personally. Who cares what some stranger on the internet thinks. If you like it you can take the criticism or leave it.

- JADobson

+1 but I am biased because OP has a feral cat project- anybody that is this concerning for feral cats, is my type of person of valor.
Thank you for caring about animals!

-- Desert_Woodworker

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cvalley

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#12 posted 05-28-2019 02:22 AM

It took me nearly two years to get close to that cat. You have to be always kind to breach the fears of a beaten cat. Now we are buddies. He’s lost his fears now as my friends can also get close to him. It’s a good feeling to help a lost sole.

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cvalley

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#13 posted 05-28-2019 02:34 AM



I think you might be taking it a bit too personally. Who cares what some stranger on the internet thinks. If you like it you can take the criticism or leave it.

- JADobson

I’ve got to agree, but it’s difficult as I care so much. I just couldn’t put the queasy feeling I had to bed.
I’m quite taken aback by the fond feedback this post has received.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#14 posted 05-28-2019 02:42 AM



It took me nearly two years to get close to that cat. You have to be always kind to breach the fears of a beaten cat. Now we are buddies. He s lost his fears now as my friends can also get close to him. It s a good feeling to help a lost sole.

- cvalley

+100

-- Desert_Woodworker

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MSquared

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#15 posted 05-28-2019 02:51 AM

Eh!! There’s always a critic. I give them plenty of fodder. I always say; ‘At least I don’t have to live with him/her!” BTW … I’m liking that Porsche plaque! You do good work. I’m ‘working on doing good work’.... with the help of LJ’ers. I’m just a ‘lurker and learner’... And we’ve have had feral cats for many years. Our three latest ones are well-fed, maintained and curled up by my desk at the moment. They ‘adopted us’ and we take very good care of them. ‘Hemingway Cats’ actually.

-- Marty, Long Island, NY

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