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BlueWolverine02

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05-27-2019 05:44 AM

No more trying to get my 6” craftsman jointer to work(stupid engine problems). In-laws heard me complaining and said they would buy me a new jointer if I tear down their deck. A few guidelines…

I want to upgrade to an 8”, no small benchtop toy though. Sick of picking through the boards at the lumberyard looking for boards 6” or smaller or setting up a planer jig for the wider boards.

My shop is my garage. A two car garage, that needs to be able to still park two cars (no truck yet, though I’ve been spending too much time eyeing truck prices recently). Needs to be mobile (or at least not too huge that I can’t get it onto a mobile base I build) and not too big of a footprint.

I build for fun, not money. Average Joe hobbyist. So while money isn’t really an obstacle (not my money buying it) I don’t want to go overboard. I do have access to 220V, installed it for the table saw, so that isn’t an obstacle.

So what would you suggest? What should I avoid? Just as a starting point, Woodcraft website lists a Powermatic for $2000, a Jet for $1600 and a Laguna (looks like a helical) for $1800. Those are all pushing it size wise. Other brands/models I should be looking at?


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Aj2

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#1 posted 05-27-2019 06:08 AM

There’s nothing particularly special about any of the jointers made in Asia. Pick a color or a price that make sense.
I’m not a fan of moving around woodworking machines esp a jointer. Hopefully from the factory the tables are in good alignment. And flat
If you move it enough for sure it going to affect something.
I have found the difference between a ok jointer that make good straight edges and a great one is small.
So my advice is find a spot and don’t move it.
Good Luck

-- Aj

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WoodenDreams

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#2 posted 05-27-2019 08:50 AM

You mentioned your interested in a 8” jointer, but you didn’t say the length you wanted, only said not too big a foot print. Your going to sacrifice quality with some of the space saving models, such as the Jet #JJB-8BT 8”, $480. or the Jet #JJB-10BT 10”, $680. or the Rikon #25-010 10”, $1210. All available at Amazon w/free shipping… and all of these don’t have the best reviews…. You’ll probably be happier with a 8” with a minimum of 72” bed, if not 76” or 80” bed. Maybe add a extra room to your garage or make your garage longer, since you still want to park 2 cars in your 2 car garage with a woodshop in it. Sacrifices may be needed (park one car outside).

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#3 posted 05-27-2019 10:44 AM

+1 Asian jointer’s are all same. LOL

Laguna is only one using a different Chinese mfg than Grizzly, Jet, & Powermatic. So pick you color,
warranty, and knife preference, then buy one.
Have had same cloned Delta design(s) for decades. Have regular version using dovetailed way attached tables, and Parallelogram version. Parallelogram versions are easier to set table height, and tables stay slightly more consistent during cutting height changes; but are more expensive. Most home shops buy less expensive type.

The value leader is Grizzly, which is made in same factory as the similar Jet models.

Straight knives:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-72-Jointer-with-Built-in-Mobile-Base/G0855

Helical head with carbide inserts:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-72-Jointer-with-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0656X

PS – If you work with a lot of figured woods, shellix type head will deliver a more consistent cut with less tear out. If you want shelliix/helical head; it will be several hundred dollars cheaper to buy it with jointer new, than upgrade later.

Best Luck on the decision.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#4 posted 05-27-2019 01:32 PM

Not sure, but I think some of the the heads with carbide cutters may have square set cutters, not angled for a shear cut.

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#5 posted 05-27-2019 01:51 PM



Not sure, but I think some of the the heads with carbide cutters may have square set cutters, not angled for a shear cut.

- ibewjon


I can vouch for the Powermatic having a true helical head. Not sure about the others. There are differences in convenience features between these machines, so look carefully.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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WoodenDreams

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#6 posted 05-27-2019 04:47 PM

Grizzly is currently offering a 10% discount thru June 2nd for First Responders & Military Members. Grizzly is having their tent June 8th in Springfeild,Mo. if your in that area. extra great discounts on scratched or dinged equipment.

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#7 posted 05-27-2019 05:16 PM

Looking at the catalog, it looks like the grizzly spiral head is the one with square set cutters, not at an angle like the shelix.

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BlueWolverine02

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#8 posted 05-28-2019 03:56 AM


You mentioned your interested in a 8” jointer, but you didn t say the length you wanted, only said not too big a foot print. Your going to sacrifice quality with some of the space saving models, such as the Jet #JJB-8BT 8”, $480. or the Jet #JJB-10BT 10”, $680. or the Rikon #25-010 10”, $1210. All available at Amazon w/free shipping… and all of these don t have the best reviews…. You ll probably be happier with a 8” with a minimum of 72” bed, if not 76” or 80” bed. Maybe add a extra room to your garage or make your garage longer, since you still want to park 2 cars in your 2 car garage with a woodshop in it. Sacrifices may be needed (park one car outside).

- WoodenDreams


my old 6” jointer had a 48” bed, which was a perfect fit for my shop. Looks like all the 8” ones start at 72”, unless they are the really small bench ones and I’m not interested in something that small. Thinking I can shuffle some things around and make it fit. So much for ever getting a truck in there.

Does anybody have any personal experience with the mobile bases on the Grizzly jointers? I’m eyeing the G0857 but it looks like the mobile base doesn’t have any swivel in it. It shouldn’t be too difficult to take the wheels off so I can make my own mobile base, right? Being able to turn is pretty important in a garage shop.

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#9 posted 05-28-2019 08:08 AM

Rikon also has the #25-210 Jointer/Planer combo. About $2700, 12” jointer, and 55 3/4” long. available at www.southern-tool.com https://www.amazon.com/s?k=rikon+25-210&ref=nb_sb_noss The Jet #JJP-12 Jointer/Planer combo about $2800 w/free shipping also a 12” Jointer and 55” long available on Amazon, Tool Nut, Home Depot https://www.homedepot.com/p/Jet-230-Volt-JJP-12-3-HP-12-in-Industrial-Woodworking-Planer-and-Jointer-Combo-with-Closed-Stand-708475/203699568?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CB%7CBase%7CD25T%7C25-9_PORTABLE+POWER%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000034362724%7c58700003947733499%7c92700031998221324&msclkid=37e5d7a4e4ef156fbde68b480f3b857d&gclid=CMSUubviveICFcGAxQIdzDALZg&gclsrc=ds

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#10 posted 05-28-2019 01:10 PM

On a different subject… do your in-laws realize how expensive a jointer can b? Unless it’s a really big deck they may be thinking that it’s a few hundred bucks and will get sticker shock when they find out it’s several thousand.

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BlueWolverine02

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#11 posted 05-28-2019 05:25 PM


On a different subject… do your in-laws realize how expensive a jointer can b? Unless it’s a really big deck they may be thinking that it’s a few hundred bucks and will get sticker shock when they find out it’s several thousand.

- JCamp

It’s a pretty big deck. They were just going to hire a company to do it. I’ll knock it out in a couple weekends.


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BlueWolverine02

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#12 posted 05-28-2019 05:30 PM

Is the parallelogram worth it? I find I don’t really need to adjust my table height.

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#13 posted 05-28-2019 05:36 PM

Does anybody have any personal experience with the mobile bases on the Grizzly jointers? I m eyeing the G0857 but it looks like the mobile base doesn t have any swivel in it. It shouldn t be too difficult to take the wheels off so I can make my own mobile base, right? Being able to turn is pretty important in a garage shop.

- BlueWolverine02

I have the G0858. I was able to uncrate and remove it from the pallet by myself. The mobile base works fine as I have a concrete shop floor. Easy to move and position.

Plus, mine needed no table adjustments at all. The only adjustment I made was to set the infeed table to remove 1/32nd a pass.

If you have the money go for the helical head. I recommend it. But either way, you can’t go wrong.

-- "A dying people tolerates the present, rejects the future, and finds its satisfactions in past greatness and half remembered glory" - John Steinbeck

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#14 posted 05-28-2019 06:07 PM

I recommend looking at the Grizzly G0490 or the Shop Fox W1741 / W1741S.
These are both very similar to the Delta DJ20, which I have and like very much.
The Delta is no longer available, but if you can find a used one, they are great.

-Long beds for accurate work.
-Sturdy parallelogram adjustments.
-Once adjusted for coplanar, the adjustments stay put.
-Built like a tank.

Good luck!

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#15 posted 05-28-2019 08:08 PM



Looking at the catalog, it looks like the grizzly spiral head is the one with square set cutters, not at an angle like the shelix.

- ibewjon

I have both types of cutterheads and the performance difference is negligable.
Whether the segment is at a shearing angle or straight, they still will cut figured woods with minimal tearout compared to a straight knife.

It’s not worth ruling out a machine with a better price just because the cutter is straight.

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