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Veritas Hand Plane ruined by embedded screw

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I,ve been in denial that I ruined my beautiful Veritas Smoothing plane all on my own.

A few days ago using it to clean up a router sled that I,d made, I hit a buried screw on two passes.
Horrendous, I quickly put the Plane back on the shelf and went into denial that it actually happened.

Unfortunately this morning I had to face reality, I had a close look, I realized the truth, The thing has two gouges down the sole and two gouges out of the hardened PM-V11 blade. All my own stupid fault. Honestly, I,m feeling sick over it.

What should I do?

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#2 ·
Ouch. Well the iron could use a regrind if you have a slow speed grinder? Or just go through the stones starting coarse.

For the sole I isually just tape some sandpaper to my tablesaw and run it back and forth till smoothed out a bit. I usually start at 100 then 150 or 220, then 400 or so wet dry. No need to get the groove completely out, just want to knock down any burs.
 
#4 ·
Grind the blade back past the nick, resharpen, make sure there is no burr on the gouge in the sole and put it back to work.

The plane is not ruined, it just has a new "character mark". The only concern for for future planing would be if the the gouge has a sharp edge. If so, a few passes on some 220 grit sandpaper will take care of it.
 
#5 ·
Ouch. Well the iron could use a regrind if you have a slow speed grinder? Or just go through the stones starting coarse.

For the sole I isually just tape some sandpaper to my tablesaw and run it back and forth till smoothed out a bit. I usually start at 100 then 150 or 220, then 400 or so wet dry. No need to get the groove completely out, just want to knock down any burs.

- SMP
+1. Hitting embedded metal is not something that you really want to make a habit of, but it's not the end of the tool. Hit the sole with just enough sandpaper to remove any jagged edges from the wound and regrind and sharpen the blade.

A quick browse through some of the handtool threads here ("Show the restoration before and after" and "Handplanes Of Your Dreams, v2.0 - Sharp As Ever") will show you that these tools can still do a wonderful job even after taking some abuses. Take the lesson and stop kicking yourself.
 
#7 · (Edited by Moderator)
OK the reality is as below:-

First up you need to give yourself an upper cut if you havent already done so, then after that the following may help.

1. You need to accept the fact that you have screwed up big time are going to have to attend intensive counselling, ... possibly at least a pack of six sessions, may be even more depending on results.
2. Upon recovery just but a new plane problem solved, a bit like smashing your car!

3. However if you can live with the emotional scars, you could conduct some in house surgery.
get some wet and dry and remove the raised sections of the gouge and then smooth out the now sharp edges. It will be as good a s new as long as you dont look underneath.

Other options: have the plane surface ground to remove all the damage sign.

Conclusion:- Consider yourself very lucky not to have damaged the plane blade more than shown.

Other purchases:- next glue run buy a metal detector as if you work with recycled timber its a must.

Otherwise dont be too dissapointed,... everybody does it sometime… hence my CMT router bit!
 
#9 ·
Thanks for the inputs, and yes I am felling a little better about the whole thing. Sharpening or should I say grinding blades has never been my forte though, I,m ok with honing on a stone and polishing to get the final sharp edge but getting the angle right on a wheel has never been my thing. U,m I,ll definitely be researching and may lash out for some sort of grinding type system.
 
#10 ·
Thanks for the inputs, and yes I am felling a little better about the whole thing. Sharpening or should I say grinding blades has never been my forte though, I,m ok with honing on a stone and polishing to get the final sharp edge but getting the angle right on a wheel has never been my thing. U,m I,ll definitely be researching and may lash out for some sort of grinding type system.

- anthm27
Whats the coarsest stone you have? I just reground an iron from my #4 with a 250 wetstone(inexpensive Norton double side 250 & 1000)Took maybe 10 minutes, then just a couple minutes to hone and strop.

If anyone asks, just say your plane is "corrugated" like some of Stanleys ;)
 
#11 ·
Hi Anthony

If it makes you feel better (possibly not!), this is a common occurrence. It is not just imbedded screws or nails that can damage (use a metal detector when working reclaimed wood), but also imbedded grit. The soles of planes, when used regularly, become scratched. This is life. Only shelf queens do not.

Since the scratch is at the back of the mouth, I would just ignore it. Keep in mind that the Veritas plane soles are flatter than you could ever achieve in your shop, so leave alone until it is necessary.

As for the blade, if you plan to use hand tools, you need to invest in a way to grind them back since nicks are ultra common. There are many choices here, ranging from machines (rotary and flat, CBN to belts) to stones (water- and diamond) and sandpaper on glass (cheapest).

Regards from Perth

Derek
 
#14 ·
+1 grind the blade, leave the sole alone unless there is sharp edge.

My normal punishment for forgetting to check for hidden staple before planing wood is to force myself to remove the nick with 120 and 240 grit water stones by hand. The large grit makes this awful scratching noise that seems like I am killing the blade. Can often hear poor thing screaming at me the entire time. :)
The wasted time and punishing noises remind me that I did something bad, and don't want to do it again.
LOL

Sure, I can fire up the 8" grinder with 3M blue/white cool grind wheels, and do it faster; but sometimes self flagellation is warranted for not paying attention to details of craftsmanship.

YMMV
 
#15 ·
That little nick could be removed in about 15 min. on a good 1000 Water stone IMHO. In my case then would have to re grind the hollow grind (I use a hand powered 6" wheel grinder with a white stone) then put a new edge on the 8000 stone, as for the base of the plane a few strokes on some 220 grit sand paper(I use self adhesive rolls from a auto body supple store) to flatten and because it is a Veritas there should be no hollows!
 
#16 ·
Veritas has a pretty good plane, I would think the sole is flat. I'd just flat-stone over the gouges to remove
any burrs. The gouges are recessed into the sole so they will not leave any traces on your work providing
there are no burrs left standing.

The blade, well, that's gonna take either stoning or power equipment to get that back to like new. But you
knew that.

This sort of thing is going to happen. Marks on tools from use is part of the job. If every tool you owned
remained pristine, you probably wouldn't be using them.

Mark
 
#17 ·
Its corrugated now! Silver lining? Ok all jokes aside I just got into restoring old Stanley's and what not lately. It's not that hard to remove marks like that. They will never be completely gone but it adds character to the tool. I went as far as buying the big granite surface plate from Woodcraft. I even used it on some of my planes I bought that the seller said were restored and ready for work. Getting much better results now that I know they are dead flat.

I hit a nail in some reclaimed wood with my low angle block plane and nicked the iron pretty good. With a low speed bench grinder and plenty of time on the diamond stones its not hard to take those out either.

My personal opinion is if you're going to be working with planes a lot then its probably wise to invest in a surface plate or some other way to flatten them. Things like this just come up from time to time. I would look at it as a learning experience. You now get to learn how to tune a plane and regrind a clean bevel on the iron.
 
#18 ·
+1 grind the blade, leave the sole alone unless there is sharp edge.

My normal punishment for forgetting to check for hidden staple before planing wood is to force myself to remove the nick with 120 and 240 grit water stones by hand. The large grit makes this awful scratching noise that seems like I am killing the blade. Can often hear poor thing screaming at me the entire time. :)
The wasted time and punishing noises remind me that I did something bad, and don t want to do it again.
LOL

Sure, I can fire up the 8" grinder with 3M blue/white cool grind wheels, and do it faster; but sometimes self flagellation is warranted for not paying attention to details of craftsmanship.

YMMV

- CaptainKlutz
Hilarious Captain,
I definitely think self flagellation is required on this one and I will grind this thing out by hand , I promise.
For now though I am on annual leave for two weeks, I,m going fishing in Australia.
Thanks for your comment, always good.
Regards
Anthony
 
#19 ·
That little nick could be removed in about 15 min. on a good 1000 Water stone IMHO. In my case then would have to re grind the hollow grind (I use a hand powered 6" wheel grinder with a white stone) then put a new edge on the 8000 stone, as for the base of the plane a few strokes on some 220 grit sand paper(I use self adhesive rolls from a auto body supple store) to flatten and because it is a Veritas there should be no hollows!
- Andre
Thanks Andre ,
I do have a water stone there and will rub it out by hand. When I am back from annual leave I will though be looking at a full sharpening system. For now ,I,m going fishing.
Regards
Anth
 
#20 ·
This sort of thing is going to happen. Marks on tools from use is part of the job. If every tool you owned
remained pristine, you probably wouldn t be using them.
Mark

- Markmh1
Thanks Mark for the comment, and yes your right , tools will never stay new, I loved that plane from the time I bought it , it was initially a shock when I gouged it but yes after running this forum Im definitely looking at the brighter side now.
Regards
Anth
 
#21 ·
Hilarious Captain,
I definitely think self flagellation is required on this one and I will grind this thing out by hand , I promise.
For now though I am on annual leave for two weeks, I,m going fishing in Australia.
Thanks for your comment, always good.
Regards
Anthony

- anthm27
Just don't confuse it with self flatulation. Homophones that mean different things, though both may occur if I have too much dairy before woodworking.
 
#22 ·
Hilarious Captain,
I definitely think self flagellation is required on this one and I will grind this thing out by hand , I promise.
For now though I am on annual leave for two weeks, I,m going fishing in Australia.
Thanks for your comment, always good.
Regards
Anthony
- anthm27

Just don't confuse it with self flatulation. Homophones that mean different things, though both may occur if I have too much dairy before woodworking.
- SMP
Thats a definite Pay Steve, Hilarious.
Must admit I also have been know for a bit of self flatulence , I,ve just got to be careful when Lovie Cheryl is about.
 
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