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04-24-2019 12:33 AM

Sorry to be pestering you all about planes lately.

I believe I’ve got my bronze LN#4 really tuned up nice. Taking sub-thou shavings that zero out before the full width of the iron (cambered iron).

However, I am noticing marks in the wood. At first I thought there was a ding or something in my sole, but what I’m seeing appears to just be friction marks. On LN’s website they suggest waxing, though they say it might interfere with finish.
These marks don’t really show up until you shine sideways light on it. I believe they would show through any finish.

What’s the solution here, if I want to go straight from smoothing to finishing, no sanding? Swap this out for a ductile iron model?

Thanks.


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#1 posted 04-24-2019 02:10 AM

Lee Laird offers some advice here
https://woodworkingtooltips.com/2014/10/the-plane-facts-bronze-versus-cast-ductile-iron-4-plane/

Personally I have used pure paraffin wax for candle making. Also use it for waxing skis and snowboards and zippers. I always meant to make the Paul Sellers rag in a can. He has no issue with 3 in 1 oil. I just haven’t made it yet and the wax works perfectly.

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#2 posted 04-24-2019 02:31 AM

I agree with the paraffin or even a furniture paste wax. I’ve seen that oil can rig Paul Sellers uses. I’ve always questioned if it would leave a residue on the wood that would negatively effect finishing the wood.

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#3 posted 04-24-2019 02:48 AM

I remember my LN smoother did that when it was new. At the time I used the oil the Japanese tools covet. I forget the name.
Anyways I use paraffin wax now and haven’t seen the marks.
I don’t think you should change planes.

-- Aj

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#4 posted 04-24-2019 03:47 AM



I agree with the paraffin or even a furniture paste wax. I ve seen that oil can rig Paul Sellers uses. I ve always questioned if it would leave a residue on the wood that would negatively effect finishing the wood.

- BurlyBob

I’ve always been hesitant of oil, but Paul says he’s never had a problem and been using it for 50+ years. I probably make as much furniture in a year as he does in a week. I’m just mostly too lazy to make it and the parafin works fine and I bought it several years ago for my skis.

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#5 posted 04-24-2019 03:48 AM



I remember my LN smoother did that when it was new. At the time I used the oil the Japanese tools covet. I forget the name.
Anyways I use paraffin wax now and haven’t seen the marks.
I don’t think you should change planes.

- Aj2

LN sells Jojoba oil, but my local hardware store sells the camelia oil like you mention. I haven’t tried either yet
https://www.amazon.com/KUROBARA-Tsubaki-Japanese-Maintenance-Camellia/dp/B00362HBPQ

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#6 posted 05-05-2019 12:01 PM

I have a rag/oil pot and just periodically put a bit of mineral oil in. It works well and a gallon is pretty cheap. Wax will probably get you a bit more mileage, but the oil pot is super convenient.

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#7 posted 05-05-2019 01:45 PM

I also use the oily rag in a can. I’ve never had it interfere with a finish.

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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#8 posted 05-07-2019 12:55 AM

Thanks for all the tips. I picked up some paraffin wax the other day. Probably two lifetimes supply worth.
Makes a huge difference.

However, my bronze #4 seems to be out of flat.
Picture is hard to show what’s going on, but the toe area is gleamingly polished (from working wood) and only the very outside edges of the back end of the sole seem to be contacting.

Should I just attempt to flatten with sandpaper, using my jointer table as the flat reference?

B

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#9 posted 05-07-2019 01:59 AM

No don’t mess with it.
Use it as often as you can if it really bugs you send it back to Lie Neilson for inspection.
Too easy to mess it up, very difficult to get right.

-- Aj

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#10 posted 05-07-2019 02:04 AM

Thanks.
So, not an issue the way it’s wearing unevenly?

If I ship to LN would they flatten it free of charge?

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#11 posted 05-07-2019 02:31 AM

I think so if it needs fixing.
I dropped my block plane once and bent the adjuster.
It only cost me shipping one way.
They are good company to deal with.

-- Aj

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#12 posted 05-07-2019 04:23 AM


Thanks.
So, not an issue the way it s wearing unevenly?

If I ship to LN would they flatten it free of charge?

- Ben

Its not necessarily wearing unevenly. It depends on how much pressure you put and where etc. The sole flexes. Does it cut well? Paul does a better job of explaining it and even mentions how he used to mistakenly flatten with too much pressure.

https://paulsellers.com/2012/02/plane-soles-should-be-mostly-flat/

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#13 posted 05-07-2019 12:43 PM

You’re seeing the burnished sole in the two spots where pressure is applied on the knob and tote. It isn’t necessarily an indication that your sole is out of flat. Lay a straight edge across the sole (with blade retracted). If you can’t see an obvious hollow, then you’re good to go. This is a smoother so its job isn’t to flatten anything, only to clean it up after it’s flat.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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