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Forum topic by Vintagewood1960 posted 04-19-2019 03:58 PM 898 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Vintagewood1960

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04-19-2019 03:58 PM

I have my new Dust Right hooked up to my Dewalt 734 planer and the shavings are apparently to big to not clog the dust right collar. I’m taking 1/64 off with each pass. The Collar has a plus sign shaped webbing to add rigidity to the collar. Has anybody here removed that webbing? Did it cause problems? I’m gonna take it back if it can’t handle a lunch box planer.


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Lazyman

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#1 posted 04-19-2019 04:12 PM

Dust Right is their brand name for most of their dust collection line (hoses, attachment, separator, etc.) but assuming you are talking about their 3/4 HP dust collector, there is probably a “grate” which is designed to protect the impeller from being damaged by hits from large chucks of wood or metal (screws, nuts, bolts) you suck up. If you add a separator between the DC and the impeller, you can probably safely remove it.

BTW, I use a shop vac with a homemade separator on my DW 735 and it works just fine.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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CaptainKlutz

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#2 posted 04-19-2019 04:27 PM

‘Dust Right’ is trade name Rockler uses for entire line of dust collection accessories.
Are you are referring to the wall mounted 650 cfm dust collector?
https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-reg-wall-mount-dust-collector-650-cfm

Sorry, but the marketing hype on that unit makes me cringe.

First, the blue super stretch hoses have very high losses, and there is no way you will get 650 cfm at end of hose with that thing. Maybe at the input port, but not at end of hose. Since the hose is so flexible, the shape & position will also impact collection and reduce suction. If you have a stiff, clear heavy duty hose, that will help reduce losses and MIGHT allow the unit to work as expected.

Second, planers generate a lot of chips. Any 4” dust collection method needs to be ‘low loss; to keep up. Have 1.5HP dust collector, and when filter gets dirty – 3 different planers have been able to clog a single 10’ clear tube straight into dust collector on thick cut.

Third, Dewalt planers have motor fan assisted dust port. Meaning they forcefully eject chips out the port. If you search WWW, you will find that one solution is just run short hose into trash can, with exit port from can having a bag filter. This removes need for powered dust collector large enough to keep up with fan motor ejection system.

Have a discussion with folks at your Rockler store before you spend any more money or alter your unit and can’t take it back. Don’t own that unit, but only solution available for planer may require a larger dust collector with more power.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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Vintagewood1960

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#3 posted 04-19-2019 04:35 PM

Thanks for your reply. Yes it is the 3/4 HP. Version. I purchased a wall mount version so it wouldn’t take up floor space. If I now need a separator then that kinda defeats the purpose. I’m disappointed because the salesman said it would handle a single machine and preserve my floor space with no problem. I’m not really worried about the impeller getting beat up as long as it’ll work for a while. Most of the stuff we buy these days is junk anyways. Has anyone removed the grate? Did the hose connection point collapse without that bracing?

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#4 posted 04-19-2019 04:36 PM

Are you milling maple? The stringy fibers that come off maple used to give me problems when I was running a small single stage dust collector. If there’s a restrictor grate at the inlet, just cut it out. That alone should fix the problem.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Vintagewood1960

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#5 posted 04-19-2019 05:48 PM

No. milling cherry in light passes. 6ft long so that may have something to do with the clogging.

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HackFabrication

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#6 posted 04-19-2019 06:34 PM

I use a simple trashcan lid separator for my DeWalt 735:

The internal blower does all the work. Very little makes it into the filter bag as long as I keep the level in the trashcan below the inlet/outlet. I’ve planed a lot of construction grade lumber through this setup without a problem. At present, I don’t see the need (or advantage) to hooking up my DC to the separator.

Yes, it does take up a bit of additional floor space, but everything is on casters in my shop and moved around to make space.

-- "In the end, it's all Hack..."

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#7 posted 04-19-2019 06:49 PM

If the clog is happening at the grate, cut the grate. If your hose is plugged up, I’d take the collector back and look for something on Craigslist. You probably aren’t getting even 350 cfm at the hose end, but it should still keep up with a lunchbox planer at 1/64th. HP and impeller diameter are magical things in a dust collector. If you aren’t getting a lot of vibration in the walls, or if you aren’t concerned about that, I think you could modify a used collector to mount it to a wall or hang it from ceiling joists to save floor space. A few yrs ago I bought a delta 50-850 on CL for $250. That was a steal, but i’d gladly sacrifice the floor space for the clean air if making the decision again.

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#8 posted 04-19-2019 10:31 PM

The OP referred to a DeWalt 734, but the 734 doesn’t have the fan does it (I think only the 735 has a fan)? I just bought a 734 used and am also having issues with chips going everywhere even with a dust collector/shop vac hooked to it.

-- -DannyW

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CaptainKlutz

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#9 posted 04-19-2019 11:28 PM

+1 maple or any fine grained wood can be problematic,
but a properly tuned planer should be generating string shaped chips:

That is one reason that you need minimize the suction losses or restrictions in your dust collection plumbing.

Photo courtesy of
http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/Getting%20Peak%20Planer%20Performance.ashx


Are you milling maple? The stringy fibers that come off maple used to give me problems when I was running a small single stage dust collector. If there s a restrictor grate at the inlet, just cut it out. That alone should fix the problem.

- pintodeluxe


-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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Cold_Pizza

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#10 posted 04-20-2019 12:43 AM

I feel like it’s the collection system on the 734. I still have suction even with the planer shooting out the front. Really kicking myself for not getting the 735 with the internal blower, Id rather just keep a pillow case tied to a 735 than have to pull shavings out of the 734 every 1/4”

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Vintagewood1960

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#11 posted 04-20-2019 01:01 AM

I removed the webbing and it worked like a champ. Not one clog. I’m gonna see how the impeller holds up and if it doesn’t, lesson learned. The store is an hour from me and I’d rather be making dust than riding around. If it doesn’t last a year I’ll let everyone know. I get a little tired of all these glowing reviews people post only to find out later that the hype exceeds the reality. I always use a product for 3 or 3 months before posting a review. I was getting some shavings out of infeed side of the 734 and I assume the outfeed had some as well. When I pulled the hose off the 734 port their was a pretty strong current coming out which made me think it had a blower setup. I don’t know how it would compare to the 735 but it was blowing.

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CaptainKlutz

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#12 posted 04-20-2019 01:28 AM

I get a little tired of all these glowing reviews people post only to find out later that the hype exceeds the reality.
- Vintagewood1960

Can not believe Rockler ratings at ALL!
Rockler customer reviews are heavily filtered. They have removed 3 of the ~dozen reviews I left on the site without notice, all of them 2 stars or less; detailing poor quality or poor performance. They edited 2 other 3 star reviews removing product photos showing poor quality control in what I received.
Local store has decent folks, and replaced a couple clamps that were bad; but replacements ended up being same low quality BORK (broke every way possible) junk. Any Rockler plastic molded stuff they sell is already, or will warp/break as soon you get it home and try to use it.

Rockler Branded Products == just say no thank you.

I will take my chances on cheap Chinese stuff from Alibaba or Amazon before I will buy any Rockler branded product, as the odds for durable/quality product are about same as they are made in same factories. Plus I will pay less, which is what that kind of junk is worth.

Thanks for reading my opinion.
YMMV

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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therealSteveN

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#13 posted 04-20-2019 02:24 AM

Can not believe Rockler ratings at ALL!
Rockler customer reviews are heavily filtered. They have removed 3 of the ~dozen reviews I left on the site without notice, all of them 2 stars or less; detailing poor quality or poor performance. They edited 2 other 3 star reviews removing product photos showing poor quality control in what I received.

- CaptainKlutz

I can personally verify this as Gospel. They will only allow very positive ratings, even if the item is a POsnot.

I know the 734’s are the lower bling models of the 735. I have had several 735’s through the years, and they have a “blower motor” that expels the chips and dust so your need for extraction is very light, if needed at all. Initially DeWalt sold a bag to go over the chute, and it allowed the blower to fill the bag negating a need of a machine at all. Not sure if all that applied to the 734’s?

I have read reviews saying the bag wasn’t sufficient. All I know is if you have the hose from the tool to the bag aligned straight, it works like a champ for me. It requires either rigging the hose from the ceiling, or making a wooden/metal arm to hold it so a board exiting doesn’t hang up on the tubing, but you need to have the tubing out of the way even if you use a vac.

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