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George Garvin

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04-12-2019 03:29 PM

Topic tags/keywords: wood species id question

Hi all,
I’m trying to build a piece using the same wood species of an existing piece that was made by a manufacturer. The finishing is being done by a completely different entity once I construct it, so I have desaturated the photos quite a bit to take the finish color out of the equation. I just need to match the grain characteristics. The overall tone is medium dark. I can readily recognize many different species of wood, but for some reason, this one is eluding my ID skills. If anyone has an opinion on the type of wood this is, I would appreciate it very much. Thank you for the help, and from the great state of Texas, I wish y’all a great and dusty Friday!


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diverlloyd

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#1 posted 04-12-2019 03:45 PM

Looks like walnut, do you know if it’s been stained or is that the natural color with just a clear finish on it?

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#2 posted 04-12-2019 03:58 PM

All wood has variation, even within the same species. Likewise no two humans are identical. The best you can hope for is to minimize the differences in grain figure and tone.

-- Phil Allin - There are mountain climbers and people who talk about climbing mountains. The climbers have "selfies" at the summit!

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Rich

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#3 posted 04-12-2019 03:58 PM

+1 on the walnut.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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LeeRoyMan

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#4 posted 04-12-2019 04:33 PM


The best you can hope for is to minimize the differences in grain figure and tone.

- Phil32

It helps to start with the same species.

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#5 posted 04-12-2019 04:36 PM

Looks like Maple stained to look like walnut. If it’s a manufactured piece then the color might have be in the finish.
It be distressed I also see many different widths of wood.

-- Aj

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Rich

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#6 posted 04-12-2019 04:56 PM


All wood has variation, even within the same species.

- Phil32

Wood has variation within the same board. So what’s your point?

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#7 posted 04-12-2019 05:25 PM

What does the end grain look like?
High mag end grain pic will help identification

What ever the wood species, it looks like lumber was cut from smaller tree(s), and it is #2 common grade with all the defects. The 4th and 5th images appear rift sawn, rest are flat sawn.
The dark lines between early/late wood are black, so a really dark dye stain was used.

Hard to not suggest black walnut (BW)?
The figure around the small defects, grain variation, and color remind me of classic #2 common BW.

This is steamed BW with MS on top for comparison of variation commonly seen ?

Best Luck!

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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George Garvin

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#8 posted 04-12-2019 05:33 PM

Ok, thanks. To answer


Looks like walnut, do you know if it s been stained or is that the natural color with just a clear finish on it?

- diverlloyd


It’s a desaturated image of the finished wood. The actual finish appears to be a tinted lacquer that is brownish with a slight orange/amber hue.

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George Garvin

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#9 posted 04-12-2019 05:36 PM

Ok, I was kind of thinking walnut also, but I wasn’t sure and didn’t want to skew anyone’s opinion by suggesting what I thought it might be. But all of your valued opinions about it being walnut makes me feel confident enough walnut is the species to go with for the piece I’m building, which is a large hutch/bookcase. Thanks very much!

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CaptainKlutz

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#10 posted 04-12-2019 05:45 PM

Not trying to make a joke, but We have 2 commercial shops in town that use alder 99% of time as it is dirt cheap.
I have seen pieces from them that use alder with walnut dye stain, followed with toned lacquer with similar grain; that looks like walnut – almost?

Alder defects are not usually as dark, and figure is much less noticeable then BW; but it could be what you have. Drill a small hole and check for cream colored wood softer than cherry.
http://hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/alder.htm

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#11 posted 04-12-2019 10:59 PM

Black Walnut 100%

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#12 posted 04-13-2019 01:28 AM

As someone who uses walnut and alder stained with GF Antique Walnut gel stain, that definitely looks like walnut to me.

Alder stained won’t have the pronounced grain patterns or the variation between heart and sap woods. Here is stained alder(dark cause in laundry room shelf)

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#13 posted 04-13-2019 01:38 AM

The three middle pics with all the distress marks don’t look natural to me. I can see what ever satin or toners they used stuck in every defect.
The other pics look natural .
Half right half wrong?

-- Aj

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George Garvin

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#14 posted 04-13-2019 02:37 AM



As someone who uses walnut and alder stained with GF Antique Walnut gel stain, that definitely looks like walnut to me.

Alder stained won’t have the pronounced grain patterns or the variation between heart and sap woods. Here is stained alder(dark cause in laundry room shelf)

- SMP


Yes, I believe you hit the nail on the head. Alder is too even-grained to pull this off; the wood in the photos has very pronounced short, dark grain striations all throughout. At first, I thought it could also have been something like African Mahogany, but I think walnut is the deal here.

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#15 posted 04-13-2019 02:39 AM



The three middle pics with all the distress marks don’t look natural to me. I can see what ever satin or toners they used stuck in every defect.
The other pics look natural .
Half right half wrong?

- Aj2

If you’ve ever used medium or dark walnut danish oil on walnut without grain filler, it does that, fills grain with blackish specs.

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