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MajorWoody

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04-11-2019 10:18 PM

Hey all,

I have a very small basement shop. I am considering the HF 1HP dust collector and mounting it not the wall. I have been using shop vacs with HD dust stoppers and 2-1/2” hoses for all my tools. Basically, moving the hoses from tool to tool as needed. Very annoying and time consuming. Anyone have an opinion on still using the HF dust collector with a reducer to the dust stopper and setting up a small dust collection network with blast gates. I figure the dust collector has to have more power than my shop vac? Anyone have any experience doing this? I’d’ appreciate any input. Thank you in advance.


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pmtottawa

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#1 posted 04-12-2019 01:25 PM

had one and got rid of it within 1 week.
had it bolted to the wall and created loud vibrations inside the house.
adding the reducer will increase air flow but reduce air volume

collection was minimal…and is loud
dont know the size of your shop so can not really provide alternatives.

best bang for your buck is to get the 2 hp HF collector and mod it like others have done on here.
might be slightly larger footprint but you’ll be much happier

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MajorWoody

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#2 posted 04-12-2019 07:05 PM

Thanks for the input and taking the time to respond. I was debating on the 2HP, it’s only like $45 more. I just don’t have a lot of space for it. That’s why I have been so hesitant to switch from the shop vac.
I saw some good mods and will have to look a little further into that I suppose.
Thanks again


had one and got rid of it within 1 week.
had it bolted to the wall and created loud vibrations inside the house.
adding the reducer will increase air flow but reduce air volume

collection was minimal…and is loud
dont know the size of your shop so can not really provide alternatives.

best bang for your buck is to get the 2 hp HF collector and mod it like others have done on here.
might be slightly larger footprint but you ll be much happier

- pmtottawa


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Mainiac Matt

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#3 posted 04-12-2019 07:33 PM

shop vac = high static head (pressure differential to move heavier debris), but low CFM (so you don’t capture the dust cloud)

dust collector = low static head and high CFM

itty-bitty dust collector = a compromise that won’t do either.

-- Matt -- I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam

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PeteStaehling

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#4 posted 04-12-2019 11:26 PM

Yeah, I bought the 1 hp one. Regretted it and replaced it. It was bad enough that the shop vac was better. The 2 HP is a much better machine.

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HackFabrication

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#5 posted 04-13-2019 12:26 AM

IMHO, I don’t believe you will be saving as much floor space as you would think. The HF 2hp dust collector doesn’t have that large of a footprint. It’s only a bit larger (floor print) than my 16 gallon C’man shopvac with a Dust Deputy attached. The bag system on the 1 hp will be a pain to deal with too. Even with a separator, it will not perform that great. Better that without, but still not effective for fine dust. Most of the bags I’ve seen are in the 3-5 micron range, which isn’t going to capture the really fine dust that wants to settle on everything (and into your lungs). Also you are going to need a fair amount of 4” flex hose, which runs about $90 for a 50’ piece, and the longer the run of flex hose, the more it decreases the efficiency of the DC. Plus it becomes a trip hazard when the tool is 20’ away from the DC.

That being said, I’ve seen a few systems plumbed using the 1hp style dust collectors. However, they are usually run short distances, and on one tool at a time. Effective? Probably. But probably not the best when compared to a larger system.

If you’re serious about dust collection, and I also work in my basement, than you need to get a better system. I put a bit of work into my HF 2hp: https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/303647. You can either go the route of ‘hot rodding’ the HF one, or spend the money up front for a complete cyclonic system from either Oneida, Grizzly, etc., and end up with a more satisfying result.

I have not yet plumbed my DC to the individual tools. I probably won’t get around to doing that until this coming fall or winter. And I may decide not to, as I need mobility for all the tools (including the DC) in my basement. Workspace is a premium, and being able to ‘move things around’, is a necessity.

-- "In the end, it's all Hack..."

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MajorWoody

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#6 posted 04-14-2019 12:05 PM

Well, clearly the 1HP DC is out. I really DON’T have the room for the 2HP but I went to my local HF store to look at it. It’s big, but I agree the footprint is about the same size as (or a little bigger than) my shop vac and dust stopper next to it. But that is below my table saw, the DC will rise up pretty high. I guess I have to decide if I really need it or want to keep switching things and tripping over stuff or squeezing that in the space. Thanks for all the help guys.

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MikeDilday

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#7 posted 04-14-2019 01:43 PM

You will need a minimum of 4” pipe or hose to get effective dust collection for short runs. 6-8” for longer runs. You cannot reduce below 4” at any point. You could take a 2 hp fan and motor, mount on the wall near the ceiling and pull thru a cyclone and vent outside.

-- Michael Dilday, Suffolk, Va.

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PeteStaehling

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#8 posted 04-14-2019 02:03 PM



You will need a minimum of 4” pipe or hose to get effective dust collection for short runs. 6-8” for longer runs. You cannot reduce below 4” at any point. You could take a 2 hp fan and motor, mount on the wall near the ceiling and pull thru a cyclone and vent outside.

- MikeDilday


I don’t agree completely. I have a manifold connected with 4” hose, but a lot of my tools have a 2-1/2” port and are connected to the manifold with a hose that size. I’ve been pretty happy with the results.

Also, venting to the outside will get pretty expensive in heated or air conditioned space if you run the DC much.

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MajorWoody

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#9 posted 04-16-2019 01:12 PM

Almost 20 years ago, I had a Ridgid DC that was smaller than the HF 2 HP DC but it worked great. I’d buy it again in heartbeat but it’s no longer available. I had a manifold with blast gates attached to the wall next to it with 4” hoses going to a few different machines and some had reducers to smaller machines and it worked well. One divorce later, it’s all gone and I had to start over with many tools and thus my situation.

You will need a minimum of 4” pipe or hose to get effective dust collection for short runs. 6-8” for longer runs. You cannot reduce below 4” at any point. You could take a 2 hp fan and motor, mount on the wall near the ceiling and pull thru a cyclone and vent outside.

- MikeDilday

I don t agree completely. I have a manifold connected with 4” hose, but a lot of my tools have a 2-1/2” port and are connected to the manifold with a hose that size. I ve been pretty happy with the results.

Also, venting to the outside will get pretty expensive in heated or air conditioned space if you run the DC much.

- PeteStaehling


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