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Forum topic by Alphonse posted 03-17-2019 06:58 PM 818 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Alphonse

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03-17-2019 06:58 PM

My son is starting a shop from scratch and looking for the best miter/slider saw to buy. Best = accurate, repeatable, reasonable cross cut capacity, dust collection, and reliable.

He has just bought a new house with a full basement and will be outfitting his woodworking shop.

The miter saw will be set it up as a station. Duty will be for furniture, cabinets, and other woodworking projects as a hobby. He is a fairly competent woodworker and has used my fully equipped shop for many years.

Cost is always important but in this case it is not the constraint. I personally have a lot of Festool equipment but I am not sure I would recommend the Kapex to him.

So what would you recommend?

-- Alphonse


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#1 posted 03-17-2019 07:17 PM

I bought the DeWalt DWS780 and am very satisfied with the machine. It has a 7.5 inch capacity for nested moldings and that’ll come in handy if your son is planning on doing baseboard and trim work in his new home.

Mine needed a few minor adjustments out of the box but it’s simple to get the saw dialed in. Dust collection is not great but miter saws are pretty notorious for making lots of dust and there are creative solutions that can help minimize the problem.

I got mine, brand new, from CPO Outlets for $599 and it included a choice between a collapsable or rigid stand and shipped free. I’ve seen the same deal offered at HD from time to time. I chose the collapsable stand and love how it easily folds up and takes a minimum amount of floor space.

Also, rather than the popular laser alignment system, it uses an LED light that casts a shadow of the blade on the work which allows for a very precise cut. It’s an ingenious feature that’s worth the extra money you’ll spend over the models that don’t include it as an option.

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#2 posted 03-17-2019 07:18 PM

Nothing wrong with the Bosch line. Had one for close to 15 years and it is still deadly accurate and have never had an issue with it. Although I haven’t heard that any of the well known brands are junk. Just a matter of cost and availability.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#3 posted 03-17-2019 07:26 PM

There are a lot of sliding compound miter saws out there these days…..Some good….some not so good. If he’s looking for a really good saw, I recommend either a 12” DeWalt cms., or the Bosch 12” sliding cms. Both are excellent saws….The DeWalt runs about $300.00 at Lowes, and the Bosh runs about $600.00 on Amazon, or Rockler (?)… I bought the DeWalt 12” slider at Lowes a while back and it was on sale for $300.00…It came pretty much ready to use out of the box…I had to do very little tweeking…..It can handle cuts up to 14-16”....There are a lot of guys on here that have purchased this saw….Go on YouTube and look up DeWalt 12” scpms….I bought the DW779 model…

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#4 posted 03-17-2019 07:31 PM

Bosch. On the cheap Ryobi 12” isn’t terrible.

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#5 posted 03-17-2019 11:28 PM

I have the DeWalt 780. That thing is a beast. I have no complaints except dust(all miter saws), but too lazy to build a hood.

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#6 posted 03-18-2019 01:16 AM

I have no experience with compound sliding miter saws. So, I’m just posing a question. From what I’ve read, these saws are great for general construction, but maybe not real accurate for furniture work. Plus, you can’t rip with it. If this is going to be his only stationary saw, is this the best type to start with for the intended purpose?

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#7 posted 03-18-2019 01:45 AM


I have no experience with compound sliding miter saws. So, I m just posing a question. From what I ve read, these saws are great for general construction, but maybe not real accurate for furniture work. Plus, you can t rip with it. If this is going to be his only stationary saw, is this the best type to start with for the intended purpose?

- bilyo

I got the impression that he was setting up a miter saw station as one of the tools in a shop he was outfitting in his basement. I don’t rely on mine for picture frames etc but in general it will cut 2 45 degree angles that end up square when put together. My wife loves crown moulding so IMO it’s the only way to cut that accurately.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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Alphonse

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#8 posted 03-18-2019 04:26 AM



I have no experience with compound sliding miter saws. So, I m just posing a question. From what I ve read, these saws are great for general construction, but maybe not real accurate for furniture work. Plus, you can t rip with it. If this is going to be his only stationary saw, is this the best type to start with for the intended purpose?

- bilyo

He’ll have a full compliment of tools including a table saw for ripping.

BTW, a miter slider has been a great asset in my shop for building furniture.

-- Alphonse

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SMP

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#9 posted 03-18-2019 05:58 AM



I have no experience with compound sliding miter saws. So, I m just posing a question. From what I ve read, these saws are great for general construction, but maybe not real accurate for furniture work. Plus, you can t rip with it. If this is going to be his only stationary saw, is this the best type to start with for the intended purpose?

- bilyo

It depends on the accuracy you need, etc. Also for hybrid woodworkers, a decent miter saw and a shooting board and plane will get you as accurate as you need.

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#10 posted 03-18-2019 02:06 PM

No miter saw has dust collection worth a damn out of the box. They’re all absolutely horrendous.

Sliding CMS’ also have a good amount of slop in them due to the sliding design, so if your goal is accuracy, they’re not really the best choice.

Non-sliders are better from an slop perspective, but again, they’re designed to be carried around on a job site, not sit in one spot.

I have a 12” Ridgid non-slider that is okay. I use it infrequently. If I had to get by without it, I probably could.

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#11 posted 03-18-2019 02:18 PM

I went with the Dewalt after research. None are perfect and you may want to use a table saw sled for ultra precise cuts, but that said, mine is spot on and I use it for nearly all my furniture cross cuts. I also get double capacity out of it in that I will do a cut, flip the piece and cut again, using a stop for alignment. For cabinet grade carcass work this is more than accurate enough.

For me the table saw was first, then the miter station. More on the build and why I chose that saw is here:

http://www.theraven.us/2018/02/miter-tablebench.html

Some things I concluded were: I don’t need the laser, enclose it for dust collection (I have though not shown in the image) and put a great blade on it.

I typically keep a rip blade in the table saw and do all my through cross cuts with the miter station. Cutting tenons is still a job for the table saw and a sled and/or jig.

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#12 posted 03-18-2019 03:57 PM

The OP isn’t trying to decide “IF” he wants a CMS. He’s looking for input on options.

In case no one else mentions it Bosch’s new saw uses a different system than rails for the saw to slide on which is a real space saver. It can stay flush against the wall. Not worth it for me to get rid of my current Bosch but if I were buying new again it’d be the one that I get. They call it the “axial glide” system. It comes in both the 10” and 12” flavor. The reviews say that the dust collection is “better”, which is a relative term when it comes to miter saws.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#13 posted 03-18-2019 08:07 PM

I “almost” got the Bosh version, but after reading the reviews they were either “perfect” or “way off” and the manufacture was giving folks with “way off” ones the cold shoulder at the time. Since space was not an issue for me, I went with tried and true rails that I can adjust myself.

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Alphonse

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#14 posted 03-18-2019 10:48 PM

Thanks folks for the good responses, recommendations and insights – keep them coming!

James, thanks for the link to your cabinet build (and lots of other stuff!)

-- Alphonse

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#15 posted 03-18-2019 11:27 PM

I love my Makita LS1016-L. It has the two-piece slide system which helps minimize deflection & wall clearance. If I was buying a new SCMS and did not need to cut large trim I would consider one of the mini saws. Less deflection equals higher accuracy. I cut a lot of small pieces too so I think one of those would suit me better than a 10” or 12” saw.

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