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CaptainKlutz

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03-12-2019 04:22 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw refurbishing

What is the PN for current model Biesemeyer fence head that will fit on older white painted commercial 2×3 square rail?
Is it: Delta 78-919BT2 Biesemeyer Fence Head…..

Have searched WWW, can not find any dimensions for T2 fence system, or size compatibility info between old commercial fence rails and newer T2/T3 products.

Why?
Stumbled across a 1967 Rockwell/Delta Unisaw with commercial rails but no fence head. Need to find a replacement. Anyone have extra fence head laying around?

Thanks in advance.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!


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#1 posted 03-12-2019 06:34 PM

The VerySuperCoolTools fence will fit those rails perfectly. I love mine.

They’re not exactly cheap, but they’re comparable with a new Biesemeyer fence, and they’re fantastic fences.

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#2 posted 03-12-2019 10:51 PM


The VerySuperCoolTools fence will fit those rails perfectly. I love mine.
They re not exactly cheap, but they re comparable with a new Biesemeyer fence, and they re fantastic fences.

- jonah

Glad you have an opinion about something not related to original question. :-(

FWIW – don’t care about some other homemade brand of fence.
IMHO – VSC is extremely overpriced metal.
I can weld up a complete fence for less than $50: http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/PDF%20Files/tsquarefence.pdf Not to mention you have to spend another $100 on extrusion to mount on top. His extrusion price is piracy, as can buy same thing for half cost elsewhere (cost $1.07/inch here). Even peachtree’s aluminum fence with UHMW face sells for less money, that could also be used with subtle changes to mounting bolts. Even if you have to pay some shop $100 to weld it up for you, still save $100+ .vs. paying VSC for one.
No thank you, won’t find me falling into VSC video marketing made for millennial’s.

My question is about different sizes of rails used by Biesemeyer brand between old commercial system, and new T2/T3 products. I can SEE the T3 system is notably smaller square tube compared to original 2×3 rectangle. Can find zero information in T2 system dimensions.

Appreciate if someone with T2 fence would measure rails and post sizes, pretty please?

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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TimInIndiana

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#3 posted 03-13-2019 01:17 AM

I have the Delta 36-T30 fence (model 1235958… diagram is here: https://www.ereplacementparts.com/delta-36t30-type-fence-parts-c-3275_13780_13891.html). The rail is 2×2. Happy to take more measurements if helpful.

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#4 posted 03-13-2019 01:45 AM


I have the Delta 36-T30 fence (model 1235958… diagram is here: https://www.ereplacementparts.com/delta-36t30-type-fence-parts-c-3275_13780_13891.html). The rail is 2×2. Happy to take more measurements if helpful.

- TimInIndiana

Thank you. Nothing more needed on that system. TBH – The 36-T30 model line up is part of what confused me. Delta offers both 36-T30 T2 and 36-T30 T3 model numbers: are they different, or are the online stores mis-labeling?

Did find that BC30T2/BC50T2 commercial fence systems are using larger 2×3 rail.
But it doesn’t tell me if the 78-919BT2 fence is compatible. Have a line on used/NIB unit I can afford.

Asked Delta, tech support needed to research my question.
Thought LJ community might know answer faster.

Cheers!

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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jonah

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#5 posted 03-13-2019 01:35 PM

You asked for options that will fit the old Biesemeyer rails. The VSCT fence will fit those rails.

If you want to be a jackass about someone trying to help you out, have at it. I won’t be here to see it.

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#6 posted 03-13-2019 03:51 PM


You asked for options that will fit the old Biesemeyer rails. The VSCT fence will fit those rails.
If you want to be a jackass about someone trying to help you out, have at it. I won t be here to see it.

- jonah

Did I offend you? I’m sorry. Your 1st post was off topic, worse it did not answer or help the OP?
Now you add second post to call me names? Yes, you should quit now after making a second forum rules violation; right after you apologize for acting childish!

Never asked about options. Table Saw Fence option threads are plastered all over LJ.

I asked specifically about rail size of one model of Delta fence head, or if someone had an extra head laying around. Did you answer either of those questions? No!

Please learn to stay on topic, and follow forum rules. We will both be happier when you do.
Have a great day!

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#7 posted 03-13-2019 05:29 PM

Got to to love/hate customer service departments. Here is Delta’s answer when asked about fence head compatibility with older commercial rail:
Quote:

The current models sold are listed on www.deltamachinery.com under accessories and then Biesemeyer. This should help in deciding what Replacements are available based on your saw model and fence size needed.

Sincerely,
Customer Care (ws)

End Quote:

That doesn’t help much…....
Back to more web searches.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#8 posted 03-15-2019 02:26 AM

Idk if this helps any, but I have that white biesemeyer fence, and still have the owners manual for it. They do list a part number for the fence assembly, but it shows “currently out of stock”

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#9 posted 03-15-2019 02:27 AM

Hope this pic is better

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#10 posted 03-15-2019 08:53 AM

Thanks Sparks50.

Every little shred of information helps at this point. Not having the original fence PN or manuals is definitely giving me fits getting support from Delta. Hardest part is most Delta products have TWO identification numbers. Such as the Delta #36-815 fence is same model number as 79-820 Type 1 when looking for parts.

Might help if I know the Delta model number(s) of your white Biesmeyer commercial fence system?

Rails I have look like PN BC50W fence based on mounting holes/notches in parts diagrams I searched. But since the saw was upgraded with new motor and fence rails some time after it was made in 1967, have no idea which generation fence rails I have. The date code on motor is 2000?

Most recent reply from Delta CS suggested that if I send them my SAW model number, they will provide me PN for fence that will fit. Getting frustrated with Delta. Even a blind, deaf, and dumb monkey with only 1 finger; can type in an order for entirely new ($500) fence/rails to fit an old Unisaw on web. :)

Cheers!

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#11 posted 03-15-2019 12:29 PM

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#12 posted 03-15-2019 12:30 PM

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#13 posted 03-15-2019 01:21 PM

Looks to me like delta is more interested in selling a new fence than helping you find a part….

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#14 posted 03-15-2019 03:18 PM

Klutz, I have a Biesemeyer fence made somewhere in 82-83. Purchased it in January 83. I also still have the manual. The numbers in it are model numbers relating only to widths of cuts. Model #50 is 50”, Model #98 is 98” cut. There is nothing about the actual fence other than how to set it up for square and how to set the pointer. I presume after delta made the purchase, they cheapened the product and had part numbers for different things for the system in case of future breakage.

A funny thing in the manual. Page 1 at upper left in bold print states, IMPORTANT PLEASE READ Under that it states, ” THE HOLES IN THE RAILS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO MATCH THE HOLES IN YOUR TABLE SAW.

I just thought that was kinda funny….... Jerry (in Tucson)

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#15 posted 03-15-2019 04:28 PM

They bought biesemeyer, so I would assume the actual factory is still there. If you call and ask for someone in engineering who’d been there awhile maybe you could get some answers?

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