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gmaffPappy

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03-09-2019 01:02 AM

I have a Professional SawStop with the Integrated Mobile Base. I wanted to get the SawStop router table that fit into the right hand extension, so I’d save floor space. I called them to get the correct model and everything for my saw. I
did some more research into alternatives and was set on this solution I called them back to verify everything. Now they are saying, because I have the Integrated Mobile Base, I can’t put a Router Table on the saw at all, neither on the left nor the right wing. It’s to heavy for the mobile base. It will break. This has me understandably miffed :-(

Has anyone tackled this problem?

I’m thinking is I could build a router table that would fit between the rails and was the same height as my saw when it base was down (not raised for mobility), and put casters on it, it might work. I would make it so if was free floating and not load bearing. I could secure it so it doesn’t slide horizontally out of the space between the rails, then it could still roll around with the saw. It would still act as the right wing of the saw and wouldn’t take up shop space like a dedicated router table against the wall.

Thoughts or alternates from those who have done something similar?

-- If it's easy to do, you haven't spent enough time over engineering it.


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woodbutcherbynight

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#1 posted 03-09-2019 04:40 AM

Rather odd they claim it will break. People have been adding extension tables with routers for years. Never mind how many of use have ever stood on the end to reach something above. Never broke a wing or the saw yet. Now they might be a bit worried about the caster load limit but the steel tubing looks like it is more than up to the task. You can always upgrade your casters to high load limit ones.

I made my own mobile base for 3/16” cold rolled steel angle iron. Welded it together and used 400 lb load limit casters all around. Had this in use for more than a year. Take in mind my mobile base has 2 tablesaws and a router sitting on top and is loaded with tools in the cabinets below. Moves well, considering size and weight.

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bigJohninvegas

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#2 posted 03-09-2019 06:00 AM

I am starting to lose faith in Saw Stop. Hearing more and more negative since the buy out.
Are you set on the cast iron wing extension?
I have not gotten around to buying the Saw Stop saw that I want, and maybe never will.
But the saw I have got a fence upgrade with 52” rails some time ago. At that time I added a router table into the right side.
It’s not cast iron, but it does work perfect. Older style woodpeckers lift.

-- John

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#3 posted 03-09-2019 03:00 PM

I have a PCS with the ICS base and love it. Like you, I’m looking a putting a router on the extension wing (Mine’s a 36” ext.). My existing router table is integrated in the support table for my SCMS and works quite well but does have limitations. The sawstop model looks ok but the one from woodpeckers, (router table ) appears to be sturdier. I do like woodpecker products, wellmade/engineered but costly, and have also looked at the Incra fence system as well. Still undecided about which way to go.
Then there’s the DIY option, I’ve a sheet of 3/4 phenolic that has been sitting around the shop for a couple of decades that would definitely work for the table, then just a matter of building the legs and getting a lift system and dust collection. All in all, these are pleasant problems to have.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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gmaffPappy

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#4 posted 03-09-2019 03:42 PM

Yah, they said the limit was the Integrated Mobile Base. It’s not just the casters, but the metal substructure too. If I upgraded to the Industrial Base, I’d be fine. But for the combined price of the router table insert and the new mobile base, I could just purchase a whole knew saw. I really love SawStop and the quality, but this really kind of pisses me off. I bought it quite a few years ago, and thought I got all the “Best” options, and from their recommendations. Now, I find out I’m limited by those very expensive options.

Woodbutcherbynight, I love your solution though. Just build a totally new substructure, include a lot of storage space, and have it all move out of the way. I’m rethinking my whole approach.

Thanks

-- If it's easy to do, you haven't spent enough time over engineering it.

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DIYWoodGuy

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#5 posted 03-09-2019 04:05 PM

The cast iron router table is great. I modified mine and am very happy with the change. Here is a video I made on the build process. A full cast iron deck is awesome!

The Self-Assembling Table Saw
https://youtu.be/RJOCZyUYu5U

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#6 posted 03-09-2019 04:52 PM



Yah, they said the limit was the Integrated Mobile Base. It s not just the casters, but the metal substructure too. If I upgraded to the Industrial Base, I d be fine. But for the combined price of the router table insert and the new mobile base, I could just purchase a whole knew saw. I really love SawStop and the quality, but this really kind of pisses me off. I bought it quite a few years ago, and thought I got all the “Best” options, and from their recommendations. Now, I find out I m limited by those very expensive options.

Woodbutcherbynight, I love your solution though. Just build a totally new substructure, include a lot of storage space, and have it all move out of the way. I m rethinking my whole approach.

Thanks

- gmaffPappy


I talked to sawstop about it and decided it wasn’t worth the money or trouble to add it to my CNS. And to think I waited about 8 months for them to introduce the insert. Anyways, I got the benchdog insert on sale. I had to buy a couple of longer screws to mount it. The holes lined up well. I had to move the switch housing and had to remove a tiny portion of the rail bracket to use the miter gauge in the insert, but hey, it wasn’t that hard to mount it.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#7 posted 03-13-2019 03:31 AM


Woodbutcherbynight, I love your solution though. Just build a totally new substructure, include a lot of storage space, and have it all move out of the way. I m rethinking my whole approach.

Thanks

- gmaffPappy

Sky is the limit. Be creative. I needed a small router table for quick round overs and such. Integrated my table design into a cabinet drawer. When done just push back and close the door. Simple, but very easy to use.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#8 posted 03-13-2019 04:12 AM



Yah, they said the limit was the Integrated Mobile Base. It s not just the casters, but the metal substructure too. If I upgraded to the Industrial Base, I d be fine. But for the combined price of the router table insert and the new mobile base, I could just purchase a whole knew saw. I really love SawStop and the quality, but this really kind of pisses me off. I bought it quite a few years ago, and thought I got all the “Best” options, and from their recommendations. Now, I find out I m limited by those very expensive options.

Woodbutcherbynight, I love your solution though. Just build a totally new substructure, include a lot of storage space, and have it all move out of the way. I m rethinking my whole approach.

Thanks

- gmaffPappy


If you’re really vigilant and frugal enough, you can get a used ICS base from eBay or CL. I got mine “used” for $200 on eBay. It wasn’t used at all; just reboxed from some customer return.

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#9 posted 03-13-2019 01:03 PM

I’m in roughly the same boat.

I’ve been wanting a router table Sawstop addition for a few years. It gave me great pause to find that I needed new angle iron side rails to mount the router extension. Sawstop doesn’t know/won’t tell me if/how to modify my existing side rails to fit the router extension. Then suddenly, my integrated mobile base won’t work, I need the hydraulic base.

WTF

I feel wounded. I dropped an enormous amount of money on this saw. Granted, I still believe I got my money’s worth, but there’s no excuse (NONE) for Sawstop to be tight lipped about everything I will need to add the router extension. I still don’t know for sure the complete list of everything I will need to add the extension. With seemingly more information trickling out, when will I have the complete list I need to complete this? No one at Sawstop will give me a straight answer.
If I seem to be getting somewhere with Sawstop, all I have to do is ask if my existing side rails can or how to be modified or if they truly need to be completely replaced. That stops conversation dead.

I’m not dissatisfied with the saw, but they brought out the router extension with much fanfare and little information.

Mark

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#10 posted 03-13-2019 01:22 PM

The new rails for The router table are simply notched so that the miter gauge can move in the router tables miter slot. I have a video that I will post below where I show the modification. I actually mounted the router table 180° from the way it was intended and had to notch my own rails. If you have a jigsaw and file you will be able to Do this yourself. Not as professional as the new powder coated rails, but you can definitely do it yourself. You’ll need to notch the front and back rail.

https://youtu.be/RJOCZyUYu5U

SawStop wants the saw on the bigger mobile base because of added weight with a solid cast iron deck. If you are going to be moving your saw around a lot then the industrial mobile base definitely makes sense. Otherwise you may be able to get away with the standard base, but it’s definitely a potential to be too much weight for the base to handle. You’ll have to get a straight answer from SawStop on what it would do and whether or not the base would simply break.

All in all I’ve been very happy with the upgrades to my saw and would do it again.

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#11 posted 03-13-2019 02:03 PM

They told me the same thing about the rails. You don’t need new rails. You just have to drill new mounting holes for the router table extension. I have the “older” 52” rails system. The holes in it don’t line up with the Router tables tapped screws. That’s not a big deal. A drill press and a metal bit will get that done. There’s also the issue of the legs. You can’t use the existing rail legs. Their mounting points will be usurped by the router table top.

They told me I would need rt-tgp and rail modification to make it work. rt-tgp has the legs that mount to the bottom of the router table. But then again, none of this matters if I can’t move the saw.

Here’s my solution: Build a mobile base out of 3” angle iron and Workbench

I’m going to finish up the design by adding drop casters, sealing up the Router/Jig Saw box with a door and a back with a dust collection port, put some drawers in it, and then put a door on the right end, under the vise, for bits and blades.

Can’t think of a better way to put my new dust collector to work and to practice my joinery!

-- If it's easy to do, you haven't spent enough time over engineering it.

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DIYWoodGuy

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#12 posted 03-13-2019 02:36 PM

Think twice about a wood bench as an extension table for the table saw. Powermatic tried that years ago to much fanfare but it flopped because the bench moved too much (expansion and contraction) and caused issues with the rails. Make your wood bench an outfeed table instead.

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gmaffPappy

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#13 posted 03-13-2019 04:11 PM

Thanks for the feedback. All suggestions are welcome. Most people have been doing this a lot longer than I, and I need those contributions. Please keep them coming :-)

I was worried about the expansion also. So, the table isn’t actually attached to the rails. It fits right between the rails and stands on its own legs. The table and the saw share the mobile base. Individually, they’re plenty heavy enough to be stable platforms. In this design, I’ve removed the rear rail. The only thing that was hooked up to it was the attached extension wing insert and the support leg. Neither are being used.

I figure, if the front rail does need the extra support, I could attach it to the workbench. The workbench could still expand and contract to the rear, left and right, unhindered. Does that address the potential expansion problem?

-- If it's easy to do, you haven't spent enough time over engineering it.

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#14 posted 03-13-2019 07:56 PM

gmaffPuppy,

I’m not seeing how you get in the door to change cartridges that facilitate an 8” dado blade.

Mark

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#15 posted 03-13-2019 08:08 PM



gmaffPuppy,

I m not seeing how you get in the door to change cartridges that facilitate an 8” dado blade.

Mark

The cartridge is changed through the top of the table by removing the insert. There is no door for this.

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