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Tango

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03-06-2019 02:31 AM

Topic tags/keywords: sawstop table saw jet upgrade

Hi all!

This is my first post in a long time so all advise will be really appreciated.

I own a JET JWTS10 Contractor saw that has served me well for the last 9 yrs.
Made a couple of upgrades like a Delta Fence, added a router extension and replaced the stamped steel wings with a couple of shop made melamine covered MDF ones.
Learned a lot during the last 9 years but I’m tired of the lack of accuracy of my aging saw.
Never had any safety incidents with the Jet (just a couple of “mild” kickbacks…nothing serious) but…safety its always a concern. I work as an architect so my hands and fingers are really a priceless part of my body.

Long story short…it’s time to upgrade and I have decided that it will be a SAWSTOP.

Here is where the SAWSTOP owners advise is needed…

Planning to buy a Professional 1.75hp with 36” fence and not really sure about the mobile base. Right now SAWSTOP is running a promotion to upgrade the base or the blade dust collection…not very sure which one to pick.

I REALLY need the mobile base but not sure how good the “standard” Base is. On the other hand, is the blade dust collector any good? I also own a HF Dust collector with a Wynn Canister.

Thank you all in advance for your time and advise!


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Scap

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#1 posted 03-06-2019 03:21 AM

I’ve got the ICS base under my PCS with the 54”(?) Extension.

That bad boy will make the whole assembly levitate. It was a worthwhile add for my shop.

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Dark_Lightning

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#2 posted 03-06-2019 03:23 AM

Saw Stop has gotten less opprobrium as time has passed. I don’t appreciate the inventor’s tactics any more than anyone else does. I had an easy sell for buying a Saw Stop JCS to the wife after she watched me cut up wood on my ancient cast iron “portable” table saw. She has Kevlar gloves for use when she sews, for the same reasons that I wanted a Saw Stop table saw. The brake feature actually makes me more careful when cutting wood, because I don’t want to have to spend money on a blade and brake. Being alert is everything. I am seeing that the brake replacement is free under some circumstances, but I’m not going to rely on that.

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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grass

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#3 posted 03-06-2019 03:49 AM

I have the ICS base under my 1.75 hp with 36” fence . I reconfigured the table legs to angle to the base. I am well pleased with the base.

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Firewood

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#4 posted 03-06-2019 03:58 AM

Congratulations on your choice. You will love the saw. I have the PCS 36” and opted for the PCS mobile base. I mainly did that because at the time, the 3HP model came with the same blade guard as the one with the dust collection upgrade.

As for the mobile base – I don’t move my saw very often, and when I do, this base has worked fine. There are many on here who swear by the ICS mobile base and if you need to move your saw a lot or park it against a wall, that base will make it SO much easier.

From what I’ve heard, the dust collection option is not the greatest. Those cuts you make taking off just a quarter inch or so – won’t catch much of the dust.

So in the end, decide how each one will benefit you and go from there. I know this probably isn’t helping you with you choice, but hopefully will add a little food for thought.

-- Mike - Waukesha, WI

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pintodeluxe

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#5 posted 03-06-2019 05:17 AM

PCS 52” on the ICS base here. The saw and base are amazing. Since my saw is hard piped to metal dust collection, I don’t move it much. The mobile base is there when I need it, but I’m sure I could live without it.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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clin

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#6 posted 03-06-2019 06:02 AM

I have the 3 HP PCS, 36”. I have the ICS mobile base. The main difference between the ICS and PCS bases are the casters. With the ICS base, all 4 casters swivel. This allows for rotating the saw in place or nudging it in any direction. The PCS base has two fixed and two swiveling casters. Therefore, you can’t rotate it in place. To nudge it to the side, you’d have to make several back and forth moves. I have a drill press base like this and it drives me nuts.

The one negative about the ICS base (and I don’t know if the PCS base is different), is it has very low ground clearance. The bulk of the base is a heavy duty frame that is slung below the casters. This frame does NOT move up and down and sits 1/4” to 3/8” above the floor. Inside this frame is a sort of cradle that supports the saw. The hydraulic lift causes this cradle to move up and down inside the main frame.

So, although the saw itself will lift a good inch or more, the main frame of the base does not move and this determines the ground clearance. This is a non-issue for any typical floor. Where it might be an issue is if you intend to roll the saw into your driveway and have ANY sort of a threshold leading into your garage, assuming your shop is your garage. I have about a 1” max lip at the front of my garage and even with a 3 foot long ramp, the lift still bottoms out.

I have plans to puts shims on the castes to raise the frame, though this will likely require me to add shims under the cradle supporting the saw. This may be needed to ensure the weight of the saw transfers to the floor when lowered.

This shouldn’t be a deal-breaker, but it is something to be aware of. Else the ICS base is a dream to use. Lifts the whole saw include the extension table. Saw can be moved with a finger on a smooth floor.

I also have the overarm dust collection. I think it works pretty well as long as the off-cut is large enough that the guard seals against the off-cut. If the off cut is very narrow, or missing completely as it would in a trim cut, the movable side of the guard won’t drop down and seal against the table. I doubt any sort of DC could suck enough air through it to draw the dust in, in this situation. I’m not sure if any form of overhead dust collection could do this.

For trim cuts, where there is no off-cut, there’s really nothing to prevent the blade from spewing saw dust out the side of the cut. I think this would be true for any saw, and any guard that I’ve seen. But I don’t claim to be an expert on all the overhead dust collection options that exist.

I bought both the ICS base and the overarm dust collection and would do both again. Aside from dust collection, I really like the guard. It seems to be as out of the way as any guard could be, and it takes just moments to take on and off. I use it whenever possible.

If I had to choose, I’d get the ICS base now since I don’t see an alternative that would be as good. You could consider other overhead dust collection options besides SawStop. When I got my saw, I think the saw came with the better guard as is, and it was just the overarm collection that was extra. Maybe that was something that came with the 3 HP version. Point is, if you have the dust collecting guard, you could build your own overarm dust collection with some PVC pipe etc. to save money if you wanted.

-- Clin

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DrTebi

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#7 posted 03-06-2019 10:33 AM

I have had the professional 36” model saw with the PCS base for some 7 years now. I never had a problem with the base. My shop is quite small, and I do sort of rotate it when I move it to another place (for cross-cutting long boards). Even though two of the casters are fixed, you can still fairly easily do a 90° turn with just a bit of shifting it around.
I think the standard mobile base is enough.

The blade dust collection… oh well. I put the blade guard away the first week I used the saw. It just gets in the way. I actually feel safer not having it there, because it prevents me from using things like the microjig push block. The only time when I would really want blade dust collection is, if I need to make hair-line trims, where the blade just takes off 1/16” or so—that’s when it gets a bit dusty. Otherwise, I can happily live without blade dust collection.

Just a couple of tips when you get the saw:
- Be really careful not to cut into aluminum, nails etc. It will cost you every time it happens… not just the brake cartridge, also a new blade, since they are in most cases unusable once “saw-stopped”.
- Don’t use it as an assembly table or otherwise store heavy items on it. I have done it too often, and now the center of my table is not 100% straight anymore.
- You will most likely want to do some kind of improvement to the extension table legs. I find them quite flimsy and unstable. Should be an easy fix though.
- Consider buying or making a zero-clearance insert plate. I find the standard insert a bit difficult to keep straight, it’s also a bit thin here and there (in part due to the fact that it needs to allow you to tilt your blade).

Overall it’s a pretty nice saw, and I am quite sure you will be happy with it.

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 03-06-2019 11:43 AM

While I see the ICS base a a really better alternative, if you don’t move the saw a lot the PCS base should serve you well. With a DC I just can’t see an overblade pick up with that small hose being very effective. Regardless of what you do, you will enjoy the saw.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Blindhog

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#9 posted 03-06-2019 02:45 PM

Congratulations, you’re going to love your new saw. I purchased the ICS base because I knew I would be moving the saw a LOT. I have been very pleased with the saw and the base. The hydraulic lift does the job and moving the saw is very easy. I’ve had the saw/base for 4 years and not had any problems.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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ArtMann

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#10 posted 03-06-2019 03:18 PM

Just make sure you are making the right decision with regard to horsepower. A 1.75 horsepower motor isn’t going to be much if any improvement over the saw you already have.

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Tango

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#11 posted 03-06-2019 06:52 PM



Just make sure you are making the right decision with regard to horsepower. A 1.75 horsepower motor isn t going to be much if any improvement over the saw you already have.

- ArtMann

That is true…mine is 1.5hp right now so not very much power to expect on the new saw. I will consider the need to add a 220v circuit/outlet for the new saw.

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clin

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#12 posted 03-06-2019 07:03 PM

Just make sure you are making the right decision with regard to horsepower. A 1.75 horsepower motor isn t going to be much if any improvement over the saw you already have.

- ArtMann

That is true…mine is 1.5hp right now so not very much power to expect on the new saw. I will consider the need to add a 220v circuit/outlet for the new saw.

- Tango

Adding a 240 V circuit is usually rather easy. It is only complicated if the circuit installation must be pretty and wires run through walls etc. While you want to know what is involved, I wouldn’t let it drive your decision if what you really want is a 3 HP saw.

-- Clin

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bennesh1

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#13 posted 03-06-2019 09:19 PM

I upgraded to the PCS 3 HP w/52” fence last year. Mine sits on the ICS base and I chose that primarily because all 4 wheels caster. I also received the overarm dust collection as a free upgrade but I find the hose just isn’t large enough to help much. I plan to move to a Sharkguard with a 4” hose right after I upgrade my dust collector. I recommend getting the base you want first so you can assemble the saw on it upfront. You do not want to change the base later if you decide to upgrade. I agree with previous posts about considering the 3HP motor vs the 1.75. I had a 1.5 hp Craftsman contractor saw before this and there is no comparison.

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Charlie H.

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#14 posted 03-06-2019 10:29 PM

36” 3hp PCS, ICS base, very glad to have both.
The hydronic lift sits the saw down very gently.
4 wheels that swivel are better than sliced bread.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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toolie

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#15 posted 03-06-2019 10:41 PM


....4 wheels that swivel are better than sliced bread.

- Charlie H.

Just like the Herc-U -Lifts of old (albeit without hydraulics to manage engagement and disengagement).

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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