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Forum topic by Jack Rigg posted 02-28-2019 04:35 AM 325 views 0 times favorited 6 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jack Rigg

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02-28-2019 04:35 AM

So… I’m fairly experienced with industrial quality CNC machines, having run/programmed Weeke, Biesse and Laguna machines. Been shopping around looking for a smaller machine of my own. Finally narrowed it down to Laguna IQ and the Camaster Stinger. The Stinger in a 2×4 is $7895 vs. the IQ 2×3 at $7045, but the Stinger comes loaded with Vcarve plus 12” in y, so leaning Camaster on the machine.

I’m considering Fusion 360 over Vcarve but don’t know anything about it’s capabilities, I’ve only used it years ago and if I recall correctly, it was a push-pull software back then and of little use to me. I understand folks are using it now as programming software and if so, that would take a big chunk out of my considerations as far as buying a CNC. Any opinions on either machine are welcome and advice on Fusion especially so. I’m running Autodesk Premium Design right now, but no Fusion.

I have always wanted to build one of my own, but in reality I feel like a bit of weight is needed for a fairly accurate machine and that’s not happening using 8020, so IMO, I’m going to have to go with one of these two companies.

-- Jack https://Carterscreekrenovations.Com


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#1 posted 03-09-2019 03:31 PM

if you haven’t pulled the trigger you should take a look at the offerings from Legacy CNC (lwmcnc.com). These are not hobbyist machines but they are built in Utah USA. Most of their machines are hybrid – meaning it has xyz but also rotational A for turning and the axis tilts. The system comes with a program called conversational cam that allows you to carve turnings by using profile bits instead of caving along with some pretty complex approaches to turning. Legacy also has a huge library of training videos that complement Vectrics Aspire and VcarvePro program.

As for Vectric versus Fusion. They are 2 entirely different programs where Aspire is a more organic approach to 3 D carving it can also handle tradition cutting and is also vector base vs Fusion is polygon based, SO for geometric shapes Fusion works well works but aspires handle the more artistic side of CNC.

As for buying a machine Go as big as you think you want and then double it if you can fit it in your shop . My first was going to be 24×36 and I went 24×60. later I sold that and now have a 36×60 with vertical end vise and 10 dia x 60 turning.


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#2 posted 03-09-2019 07:20 PM

The Laguna has a liquid cooled spindle, while the Stinger comes with “3.5 HP Variable Speed Milwaukee Router”. I would rather have the spindle rather than the router for long cuts. Not sure how long the cuts will take on a 24”x36” machine, but something to consider.

Also, it appears to accept standard collets with different bit diameters, although it doesn’t specify on their website what size collets. I assume the Milwaukee router supports either 1/4” or 1/2” bits.

Not an easy choice, because although these are both desktop machines, they seem to be optimized for different things.

As for software, these are basically 2.5D vs. 3D machines, in that they mostly carve from above. Aspire or Vcarve seem more suited for the capabilities of these machines than does Fusion 360.

-- Barry, http://BarrysWorkshop.com/

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Jack Rigg

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#3 posted 03-12-2019 01:33 AM

My apologies for not being quicker on the replies to this thread. I’ve been doing the worker bee thing, busy building staircases…

Jim, I think that Legacy is an awesome machine but more than I can afford and the footprint don’t fit inside of my little shop either.

Barry, the Stinger I comes standard with the Milwaukee router, but can be ordered with an upgraded air cooled spindle, up the 3 hp. With that being said…

The IQ is on sale this month for a considerable savings and I have complete faith in Laguna, having spent a lot of time on a Smart Shop. I know it’s a different machine, but their customer service, in my experience, was pretty good.

So this afternoon I swung by the bank and walked out with a fist full of Benjamins, headed for Woodcraft. Was talking to one of their salesmen about the Laguna when a customer on the floor approached me. He was closing down his business and had a 2018 model 2×3 IQ for sale with a hydraulic lift table, 3hp water cooled spindle, various collets, bits and accessories. Finally got down to brass tacks and I go to pick it up tomorrow morning for 5k out the door. I don’t think there’s a better deal out there for the money.

-- Jack https://Carterscreekrenovations.Com

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#4 posted 03-13-2019 03:39 PM


when a customer on the floor approached me. He was closing down his business and had a 2018 model 2×3 IQ for sale with a hydraulic lift table, 3hp water cooled spindle, various collets, bits and accessories. Finally got down to brass tacks and I go to pick it up tomorrow morning for 5k out the door.
- Jack Rigg

I’m sure the sales peeps at Woodcraft really appreciated this guy :^p

But it’s an awesome deal for you… congrats.

Your ears (and everyone else in the house) will very much appreciate having the spindle.

-- Matt -- I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam

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SignWave

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#5 posted 03-14-2019 01:21 AM

I think you lucked out on that one. Sounds like a great deal! I hope that you’ll share your projects here.

-- Barry, http://BarrysWorkshop.com/

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Jack Rigg

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#6 posted 03-16-2019 02:45 AM

I really did luck out, usually I’m the guy paying full price one hour before it goes on the 50% off sale…

So looking forward to owning this little guy. I know it’s not what I’m used to and it’s foot print is minimal, but it’s mine and I’ve spent a good portion of my life programming for others… Now, I get to do what I want it to do, I cannot describe how delighted I am, at 60 years old, to have my own CNC… I love it

-- Jack https://Carterscreekrenovations.Com

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