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Boochiee

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02-19-2019 07:27 PM

Topic tags/keywords: help planer jointer noob beginner

Hello all, I am brand new to the woodworking industry. I have been buying more and more equipment throughout the last few months. I love it and it’s become a HUGE passion of mine. Unfortunately the space I have for it is in the garage and it is very very poorly insulated with no heat. Being February in Chicago the temps have been extremely cold and I have not been able to work out in the shop. Anyways, enough about that!

I would like to know what tool(s) are essential and what make/model I should purchase for my next tool. I was thinking about either a planer or jointer, something sub $500.00 but I have no idea what to look for. I have tried looking at used, but browsing other threads for pricing information, the people selling used here (in Chicago area) want what the stuff is worth brand new.

I have a portable table saw, miter saw, drill press, and a bunch of jigs / handheld tools. All the wood I am getting seems to have bows / bends in them so I was hoping maybe a jointer can help with this because the last thing I made (floating bookshelves for daughter’s room) was a pain in the ass due to the wood being out of shape, I had to sand it down for an extensive amount of time to make it all flush.

Any tips or help would be greatly appreciated. I plan to lurk these forums frequently to pick up as much knowledge as I can!


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bondogaposis

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#1 posted 02-19-2019 08:17 PM

Insulation and a heater, what good are more tools if you can’t use them?

-- Bondo Gaposis

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Boochiee

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#2 posted 02-19-2019 08:54 PM



Insulation and a heater, what good are more tools if you can t use them?

- bondogaposis

That’s already in the works. I am ordering https://www.amazon.com/Reflective-Garage-Insulation-Improved-Double/dp/B074LR5QF5/ref=sr_1_6?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1550609537&sr=1-6&keywords=garage+door+insulation

Also installing new side door since it’s rotted and will put some more insulation in the attic above. Going to get a decently sized heater (~500sq ft rated) that will be mounted in the corner as well.

Just stuck at the “planer or jointer” topic and which one is the best bang for the buck under $500.00 new or used.

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RobHannon

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#3 posted 02-19-2019 09:22 PM

Well if the weather is keeping you from working, I would used that forced patience to dig hard into the used market. If I had to go new I would get a planer before a jointer and make a jig to joint on the tablesaw or on a router table. The Cutech ones look pretty nice for the low price point. I have never had hands on one so I can’t recommend them, but certainly one I would research.

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LittleShaver

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#4 posted 02-19-2019 09:37 PM

I’d vote for a planer over a jointer. As a hobbyist, I find I can do the work of a jointer with hand planes quite adequately. True up an edge and smooth one face close enough to run it through the planner and table saw.

-- Sawdust Maker

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BalsaWood

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#5 posted 02-19-2019 10:14 PM

If you are working with warped lumber or rough lumber, a planer, jointer, and jack plane would be the best three things to get. Jointers and planers go very much hand in hand. Another thing to keep in mind is that your planer will be able to handle lumber with greater widths than the jointer unless you get a huge jointer. The jack plane would be very useful for extra wide boards. For me personally, I use the jointer more than the planer.

You should be able to find a lunchbox planer, 6” jointer, and an old Stanley jack plane for a total of about 500 to 600 dollars if you are patient. Non-lunchbox planers and 8” jointers and up are a lot more expensive and also require 240V outlets. Once you start adding helical cutterheads (really useful for figured woods) to the machines, the price goes up fast.

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CWWoodworking

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#6 posted 02-20-2019 05:27 AM

Personally, I would keep saving and invest in serious sanding equipment. A good drum sander and a high end orbital will make solid wood panels and other processes enjoyable. I hate sanding

I would skip the jointer and planer totally if you can find a supplier for wood that will do these processes for you. That is what I do. 99% of the time I simply dont need them.

If you are dead set on spending 500, get a planer.

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them700project

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#7 posted 02-20-2019 01:17 PM

When I was setting up I already had a miter saw, saw horses, and some small tools. So my first move was a table saw. Once I had the table saw I picked up a kreg jig and made a massive miter bench with storage. and started setting up shop using sheet goods. After I made it pretty far with that stuff I wanted to start with real wood. I was able to joint with a jig on the tablesaw So I went for a planer. Once I had that for a while I added a bandsaw(I dont get a ton of use out of this But am starting to use it more lately). After this I added a drill press. then when i wanted a jointer I went with a combo so i sold off my planer.

This doesnt include handheld and small power tools I added along the way

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tomsteve

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#8 posted 02-20-2019 01:25 PM

a jointer and planer go together. you can have lumber thats cupped/bowed/twisted and run it across a jointer to flatten one side but then ya have a piece of lumber with one side flat and the other messed up. the planer takes care of that other side.
id say look for a planer. spend a bit more and get the dewalt 735. you can build a sled for it for flattening lumber for now then save up for a jointer.

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avsmusic1

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#9 posted 02-20-2019 03:44 PM

planer first – look for a used dewalt 735 in your area

you can make a planer sled for face jointing and attach other known straight edges to the boards for edge ripping on the TS

Another potentially helpful and hopefully respectful note - you mention you’re brand new, work in an unfinished garage in Chicago, and have been buying stuff for a few months – I interpret that mix of things as “I caught the bug in late fall but haven’t been able to really do much actual woodworking yet so I’m acquiring what I think i’ll need to hit the ground running when the weather turns.”
If that’s at all close, I would strongly encourage you to wait and make a couple things before acquiring much stuff. Fight the AD urge. I had a similar story a few years back and wound up picking up a bunch of stuff that I had no real need for when I really got into things – stuff that there is real logic in why I would want it / how I could envision using it on potential projects I wanted to build, but when things really got going I either didn’t build those pieces or found another way. I think you’re safe picking up a planer, especially a used one, but never buy things to solve problems/needs you don’t have yet. I got that advice, but didn’t pay close enough attention to it and it’s cost me hundreds+

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Boochiee

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#10 posted 02-20-2019 04:15 PM



When I was setting up I already had a miter saw, saw horses, and some small tools. So my first move was a table saw. Once I had the table saw I picked up a kreg jig and made a massive miter bench with storage. and started setting up shop using sheet goods. After I made it pretty far with that stuff I wanted to start with real wood. I was able to joint with a jig on the tablesaw So I went for a planer. Once I had that for a while I added a bandsaw(I dont get a ton of use out of this But am starting to use it more lately). After this I added a drill press. then when i wanted a jointer I went with a combo so i sold off my planer.

This doesnt include handheld and small power tools I added along the way

- them700project


This is exactly what I am doing! I am making a pretty large miter station which will have storage options throughout. I also went about it almost the exact same way you did too (besides for buying the drill press which was like 80 bucks).

I think for now I really just need to look into making some jigs for the table saw and maybe get a planer. The used market near me is terrible and I can’t find anything that may be decent for a good price.

Do you guys think this may be a good option? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jet-JJP-8BT-8-Bench-Top-Jointer-Planer-707400/173523444106?epid=710152681&hash=item2866cda18a:g:aOoAAOSwpFhblAIh:rk:2:pf:0

Or should I just go with a planer? I might get that dewalt 735X but it’s a little over the budget, my wife would go crazy if I spent that on one thing right now.

I appreciate all of the feedback! Can’t wait to progress further in this beautiful craft.

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ChefHDAN

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#11 posted 02-20-2019 04:27 PM

Something to consider, you could likely get both for $625

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/lyons-dewalt-planer/6821155654.html

https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/planer-jointer/6791249146.html

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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BalsaWood

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#12 posted 02-20-2019 08:51 PM

I’m not a fan of those small benchtop combo machines. It might be okay for planing but the beds on it are really short and it wouldn’t be all that useful for jointing. I think it better to have a dedicated jointer and a dedicated planer. The larger combo machines would probably be a lot better but are way more expensive. You should be able to find a cheap jointer and cheap planer if you give it enough time.

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them700project

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#13 posted 02-20-2019 08:56 PM

Like others have said Jointers are great but a planer is more useful. as you can joint on a tablesaw/router/routertable.

From my research combo machines only become effective when spending some serious cash

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Boochiee

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#14 posted 02-21-2019 02:59 PM



Something to consider, you could likely get both for $625

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/lyons-dewalt-planer/6821155654.html

https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/planer-jointer/6791249146.html

- ChefHDAN

I did message that guy about the planer, just waiting for a reply. It’s a little over an hour drive for me.

Guess I’ll hold off and hand plane as best as I can until I find something worthwhile! Thanks guys, I’ll be looking for a planer next. I’ve been searching a few sites every day for the last month or so at jointers / planers / band saws and haven’t found anything that I thought was worth it, but I also don’t know much about the machines to say.

Anywho, thank you all for who posted I appreciate your time very much. I will continue to browse the forums to try and enhance my knowledge.

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ChefHDAN

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#15 posted 02-21-2019 06:06 PM

Boochiee, welcome to LJ’s, there are folks here with great knowledge or experience of most all tools out there, keep looking, and share here if you need help, and the LJ’s are sure to be able to help you consider price and know what to examine when you find something that looks good.

Word of warning though, the best stuff goes quick, if the pics look good and its in your budget, sometimes it’s best to jump as soon as you can.

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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