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weedeater64

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02-18-2019 12:04 AM

I queried on reddit and got the expected round of non answers and thorny jackassery.

After a fair amount of searching I’ve only found one Ryoba under $50 here.

https://www.fine-tools.com/kijima-saws.html

Anyone know anything about these?

Anyone know of any other sources in the sub $50 range?

Must be sharpenable. None of that impulse hardened crap.


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#1 posted 02-18-2019 05:55 AM

You get what you pay for I guess. I have a number of Gyokucho saws in both rip and crosscut that are excellent but they were >$50 and are all impulse hardened. I wouldn’t attempt to sharpen a Japanese saw anyways; I’m comfortable with sharpening western style saws but the Japanese saws have considerably more complex tooth geometry and most are made out of steel that is harder than western saw steel and very easy to break a tooth on. Not to mention that you’d need a special set for the teeth too…

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#2 posted 02-18-2019 06:39 AM

Have picked up a few Japanese Saws from Lee Valley, very good quality and value ?

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#3 posted 02-18-2019 10:35 AM

Woodcraft has a Dozuki saw on sale online for $25.00 that is 1/2 price.

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#4 posted 02-18-2019 11:23 AM

Since when did Japanese pull saws get expensive?
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=316

I use the Tajima JPR-SET, and Pull 265 saw; which are also called Z-Saws in Japan.
https://www.tajimatool.com/product/japan-pull-set/
https://www.tajimatool.com/product/jpr-265/
I prefer the pistol grip over the classic straight handle. They use all same blades, which are $10-$15 each online in USA; cheap enough that re-sharpening is not even a consideration.

Best Luck.

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#5 posted 02-18-2019 05:01 PM

I would check Hida tools and woodworking in Oakland California. I’ve gotten a number of tools from them.

http://www.hidatool.com/woodworking/saws-for-woodworking

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#6 posted 02-18-2019 05:02 PM



Woodcraft has a Dozuki saw on sale online for $25.00 that is 1/2 price.

- JohnDi

I have a couple of woodcraft Z saws that work well.

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#7 posted 02-18-2019 07:27 PM

Woodcraft does a Gyokucho saw on sale about every month dozuki is this month

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#8 posted 02-18-2019 08:05 PM

Suizan ones are nice, same brand Jay Katz Moses uses if that matters

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#9 posted 02-18-2019 08:44 PM

https://www.workshopheaven.com/set-of-4-gyokucho-japanese-saws-kataba-ryoba-dozuki-kugihiki.html

This doesn’t fit your criterion but it’s a great set and good value for your money. It does
come from overseas but it’s worth the wait IMHO.

The flush saw works incredibly well.

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#10 posted 02-19-2019 08:37 PM

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#11 posted 02-19-2019 08:39 PM

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#12 posted 02-19-2019 08:40 PM

You get what you pay for I guess. I have a number of Gyokucho saws in both rip and crosscut that are excellent but they were >$50 and are all impulse hardened. I wouldn t attempt to sharpen a Japanese saw anyways; I m comfortable with sharpening western style saws but the Japanese saws have considerably more complex tooth geometry and most are made out of steel that is harder than western saw steel and very easy to break a tooth on. Not to mention that you d need a special set for the teeth too…

- Manitario

Same here, no way I would have the patience to try and sharpen a Japanese saw when the blades last me years and replacement blades are $15. I hate working under a magnifying glass personally. I have this one and works great https://www.amazon.com/Ryoba-Double-Razor-Hardwoods-Woodworker/dp/B00BSQU9UQ/ref=pd_cp_469_1?pd_rd_w=12ubT&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=S62B0E99T6MZG63PW780&pd_rd_r=59552e17-3485-11e9-af44-2f035afcbe59&pd_rd_wg=ZXZY2&pd_rd_i=B00BSQU9UQ&psc=1&refRID=S62B0E99T6MZG63PW780

BTW, the one you linked to has replaceable blades (probably not sharpenable), is more than $50 with exchange rate on the euro, and the shipping from Germany would cost me more than the saw I bought from Amazon with free shipping.

This one doesn’t have replacement blades, and has Japanese feather files as “related items” so may be sharpenable. Highland Woodworking has great customer service and would happily answer your questions:
https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/japanese-ryoba-saw.aspx

- SMP

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#13 posted 02-19-2019 08:49 PM

I have a Gyokucho 372 and the Ryoba SMP linked to. They’re both great and cheap. Replacement blades are cheaper. I thought only the expensive Japanese saws you could re-sharpen (like SMP also linked to)?

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