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Brian

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02-13-2019 01:41 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw question

I am starting down the path of woodworking and I need to upgrade my table saw. I currently have a 10+ year old Hitachi job site saw (plastic base, aluminum table, etc.) that I bought for household DIY stuff when I needed a table saw. Nothing I cut on it is square and I can’t seem to adjust it. That hasn’t been too much of a problem for the projects I’ve used it for but I feel if I want to start doing woodworking projects I need to upgrade my table saw game. Also, I want a saw that’s heavier, I would just feel more comfortable with it.

That being said, I have been doing some research and would like some opinions as to what route I should go, new vs used, contractor vs cabinet, etc. I really don’t want to spend over $1000. Preferably, I would like to stay within the $500-$750 range.

I’ve found a couple used saws online (photos linked below):
  1. Craftsman 152.221240 for $600. ~8 years old but I don’t know how much use it’s gotten.
  2. Jet JWSS-10 for $950. ~12 years old with ~10 hours of use. It also has a router table and it looks like a router is attached, I haven’t received a response about that yet.
  3. Powermatic Artesian w/Vega Fence for $700. ~10 years old. Awaiting the exact model number. I don’t like the “grate” style wings. Owner is moving out of state so he’s probably motivated to sell.

The first two are ~2 hours away and I would have to rent a U Haul van or something to get it home which would add another $150 plus 5 or so hours of time. The Powermatic is 20 minutes away.

My concern with buying used is not knowing how well it was maintained, how much use/abuse it got and how much life remains.

As far as new saws go a friend suggested I look Grizzly and I see the G0771Z is about $1000 to my door. I’ve also read people who like the Delta 36-725 from Lowes.

What I like about buying new is that it’s new and also updated safety features like the riving knife.

Does anyone have opinions on these saws or can you offer suggestions to other saws in the $500-$750 price range?

Thanks for your time!

Craftsman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pl4z95ajuqr2uzk/craftsman.jpg?dl=0
Jet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/23u2je6t45oot65/jet.jpg?dl=0
Powermatic: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqs7eywz0jcvsfy/powermatic.jpg?dl=0


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Ripper70

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#1 posted 02-13-2019 01:58 AM

If the Grizzly is in your budget range, I’d say go for that.

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#2 posted 02-13-2019 02:00 AM

None of the used options you gave are good deals in my opinion. Of the three, the Craftsman is probably the best deal, and it does have a good fence, but even with the upgraded fence it’s not worth $600 used.

Keep looking.

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#3 posted 02-13-2019 02:26 AM

Officially, I guess I’m not qualified to say anything. But here goes anyways. I’ve been to Lowes and looked at the Delta you mentioned. To me it looks like a very solid saw and was I was very tempted. The Grizzly would be a nice buy though. For my 2 cents, I’d buy the Delta and use the extra money to stock the workshop…....just sayin.

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#4 posted 02-13-2019 02:47 AM

I’d vote grizzly or wait for a better used saw deal

If you’re patient you can probably snag old iron in your price range. I’d rather have a decades old pm66 than any of the used options you listed.

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#5 posted 02-13-2019 02:13 PM

Ultimately you have to just make a decision and not look back. They are all good machines. The Jet obviously has more features and if the router is included, its probably not a bad deal.

I’ve bought a lot used machines over the years and the one thing I’ve found is if you don’t buy it, someone else will. I remember one day a notification came up on CL that was a Powermatic floor mortiser for $500.

7PM posted 1 hr ago & the guy already had 3 calls about it. It was > an hour away. I loaded up immediately, got there first, he took $450 for it and then found half a dozen bits he forgot about.

I had no problem paying $800 for a Jet 1 3/4HP machine. Of course it was basically brand new, the switch was still in the plastic bag.

Bottom line, worry more about the condition than the price.

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Brian

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#6 posted 02-13-2019 03:55 PM

Thank you for the responses.

I had a feeling the used saws were priced high. I really don’t like the Powermatic wings so I am definitely going to skip on that one. If I’m going to spend $950, I feel I might as well buy the new Grizzly. That also saves me van rental and a 5 hour drive.

That being said, although I could spend $1000 on a saw, I don’t really want to spend $1000. Oldschoolguy makes a good point about buying the Delta and use the remaining money for other things in the shop.

I think the only way I would do the Craftsman is if I could get it for $350-$400 or so. I could be way off but I don’t think it’s worth $600 based on my research.

I’m not in a hurry to buy anything at this point so I will keep watching for used saws and if nothing comes up probably just pull the trigger on the Delta.

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Ripper70

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#7 posted 02-13-2019 04:49 PM

The Biesmeier fence on the Craftsman makes it an attractive option. Is the seller offering any extras? I’m assuming the saw includes the mobile base. Accessories, if they’re included, might sweeten the deal.

It really depends on what you’re needing the saw to do but I think there’s a significant difference between the Delta and the Grizzly. I think the Grizzly is a saw that offers allot more bang for the buck. Sure, it costs more up front but if it’s going to be the centerpiece of your shop it may be the last saw you’ll ever need to buy.

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#8 posted 02-13-2019 06:37 PM

I’m not in a hurry to buy anything at this point so I will keep watching for used saws and if nothing comes up probably just pull the trigger on the Delta.
- Brian

That is your best option IMO. The good deals don’t last for very long, which is why you generally just see the not so good ones. Have your cash on hand so it’s ready to go, be ready to pounce when the good deal does show up, and don’t waste your time asking for peoples advice – if it was a good deal, then it’s a pretty good bet that it will be gone once you get peoples responses and make up your mind (OWWM Rule #5).

Cheers,
Brad

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#9 posted 02-13-2019 08:58 PM


If I m going to spend $950, I feel I might as well buy the new Grizzly. That also saves me van rental and a 5 hour drive.

I am in a similar boat and decided to wait and buy the Grizzly if I do not find a good deal on CL. A note about the Grizzly, if you sign up for their email promotions they send you a 10% off coupon that is good for about ten days. Takes the price down to around $900.

Good luck.

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ibewjon

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#10 posted 02-13-2019 09:43 PM

It seems that Grizzley does a lot of backorders. I was planning to get a Grizzley jointer, but it was always back ordered for months. Never did order, found used Delta, 8” x 72” for $600, and grabbed it. No regrets. And if I change to helical head, I will still be money ahead. If you are not in a hurry, you will get a good deal

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#11 posted 02-13-2019 10:12 PM

The PM looks like a PM63, but could also be an older PM64. Either way, it’s way more than 10 years old, and heavily overpriced IMO. Nice fence, basic taiwanese right tilt contractor saw made by Mao Shan, with a decent outboard motor and no riving knife …~ $400 would be the most I’d go. There’s another one similar on CL in Chicago with a mobile base….no price listed.

The Jet looks to be their original Super Saw. I’d pass. They’re well known for problems with the blade height belt breaking (repeatedly), plus the Microglide fence is nothing special for a saw in this price range.

The Craftsman is a 22124 “zipcode” hybrid saw made by Steel City/Orion. It had a large following 10-15 years ago, and was made from roughly 2004 to 2008, when it got replaced by the 22116 with a riving knife. It had some fairly beefy cabinet mounted trunnions, a Biese Commercial fence, left tilt, and 12” solid cast wings. Old school splitter though, no riving knife. It weighs close to 425#. If it runs well, $600 isn’t a terrible price.

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