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02-10-2019 03:26 PM

After looking through eBay for tools, I keep coming across planes, spokeshaves, router planes, and such, and I keep seeing stuff labeled as “prototype”

Now, I know what a prototype is, but can anyone explain what it actually means with the, mostly, Stanley tools? Are these actually prototypes from the design process? Or just something people put on their posts to try and get more people looking?


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#1 posted 02-10-2019 05:35 PM

Impossible to say without you giving us at least one example.

Much more probable, is that posters are representing tools made or modified by users or patternmakers as “prototypes.”

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#2 posted 02-10-2019 05:49 PM



Impossible to say without you giving us at least one example.

Much more probable, is that posters are representing tools made or modified by users or patternmakers as “prototypes.”

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Hang on. I’ll try to pull a couple screen shots

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#3 posted 02-10-2019 06:47 PM

Here’s a couple that I’ve found. And I’ve seen them before. I come across them a few times and just have been wondering about this “prototype” label people put on them

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#4 posted 02-10-2019 07:07 PM

As to the router:
That may well be a Stanley-made prototype. The lack of documentation/provenace is odd though.
Such a thing would be a major selling point. It’s possible that it is user-cast and merely uses the blade holding mechanism from a Stanley router.

As to the No. 8:
To me, this is most likely a cut-down No 8 jointer (the back end having been lopped off). What would be the possible use of labelling something a No 8 and making it just slightly shorter than a No 7?

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#5 posted 02-11-2019 12:07 AM



As to the router:
That may well be a Stanley-made prototype. The lack of documentation/provenace is odd though.
Such a thing would be a major selling point. It s possible that it is user-cast and merely uses the blade holding mechanism from a Stanley router.

As to the No. 8:
To me, this is most likely a cut-down No 8 jointer (the back end having been lopped off). What would be the possible use of labelling something a No 8 and making it just slightly shorter than a No 7?

- Johnny7

Right, that’s what I was thinking. I feel like this “prototype” labeling is just something people do to try and get more interest in their listings. I would think that if there really are prototypes of planes and stuff, it would almost be museum quality, and a lot more valuable than these are. Just going off some of the prices for like a #1 or # 2 plane, I think a one of a kind prototype would be many thousands of dollars.

But I could be wrong. Thats why I wanted to see what some other people’s opinion of this was

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#6 posted 02-11-2019 01:03 AM

I think it’s a sales pitch just the same way they say “super rare” for a type 20 Stanley #5.

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#7 posted 02-11-2019 07:02 AM



I think it s a sales pitch just the same way they say “super rare” for a type 20 Stanley #5.

- corelz125

Are you saying you’ve seen routers such as pictured above (post #3) and you think they’re simply calling it “rare” as a sales gimmick?

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#8 posted 02-11-2019 01:40 PM

ebay dictionary

“Prototype” – anything the seller can’t find information on without taking more than 2 seconds of searching, so it must be a prototype. Plus, labeling it that way might bring more money from an uninformed bidder.

“Rare” – anything the seller hasn’t seen more than once in the last 2 seconds. Plus, labeling it that way might bring more money from an uninformed bidder.

Yes, I’m a cynic. Not saying there aren’t actual prototypes showing up on ebay, but a real prototype should have some sort of documentation to show that’s what it was. Sellers aren’t required to be knowledgeable and forthright.

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#9 posted 02-11-2019 02:03 PM

Perhaps you could ask the seller what he/she means by calling a tool a prototype.

Could it also mean this is a reproduction made from a casting of the original? Like building a new violin after the Stradivarius prototype? (In the style of Stradivarius)

From Websters, Prototype: an original model on which something is patterned.

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#10 posted 02-11-2019 02:33 PM

That router has been up there a long time. There is also an aluminum body bedrock that’s been up a while.

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#11 posted 02-11-2019 03:54 PM

I did find out some interesting information about Stanley’s “model shop” and that there does seem to be some actual “prototype” tools out there, along with some that never made it into production, but it says these tools are almost always engraved, painted, or has a tag that says “Stanley model shop” and other information on it. I would love to come across some of these tools. Some of the ones in the articles I was reading look pretty amazing, but also seem to be pretty much unobtainable to common folk, like me. It would blow my mind to have one of these tools and know that some of these guys that are actually responsible for the original patents had made it and held it in there hands

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#12 posted 02-11-2019 06:42 PM



ebay dictionary

“Prototype” – anything the seller can t find information on without taking more than 2 seconds of searching, so it must be a prototype. Plus, labeling it that way might bring more money from an uninformed bidder.

“Rare” – anything the seller hasn t seen more than once in the last 2 seconds. Plus, labeling it that way might bring more money from an uninformed bidder.

Yes, I m a cynic. Not saying there aren t actual prototypes showing up on ebay, but a real prototype should have some sort of documentation to show that s what it was. Sellers aren t required to be knowledgeable and forthright.

- JayT

You forgot my favorite, “scarce”.

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#13 posted 02-11-2019 06:56 PM

There are some proto types out there but not as many that are advertised on ebay. There are a lot of shop made and pattern makers router planes out there so you never know where it came from. Thats good info you found out about stanleys model shop.

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#14 posted 02-11-2019 10:52 PM



There are some proto types out there but not as many that are advertised on ebay. There are a lot of shop made and pattern makers router planes out there so you never know where it came from. Thats good info you found out about stanleys model shop.

- corelz125

Thanks. I thought so too. I’ve found a lot of good articles by Paul Van Pernis about the model shop and different things about some cool planes. And lots of interesting pictures of them, too

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#15 posted 02-11-2019 10:53 PM



There are some proto types out there but not as many that are advertised on ebay. There are a lot of shop made and pattern makers router planes out there so you never know where it came from. Thats good info you found out about stanleys model shop.

- corelz125

Mmmmmm. Brass pattern maker planes. One of my favorite things to find.

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