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02-03-2019 05:13 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collector dust collection cyclone recommend

I am upgrading from a Harbor Freight dust collector and am looking for something stronger now that I have wired 220V circuits in my garage. I have a few long runs that I would like to see improvements on as far as dust collection. I am leaning away from a 2 bag system and leaning towards a motor, cyclone, 20-30 gallon drum and canister filter style setup. Obviously, Oneida-Air.com has complete setups for $1000 plus but I am capable of buying a blower, cyclone, and canister filter (I already have a drum) separately and assembling it all.

I’m looking for an affordable blower as I would likely go to Wynn for a canister and Oneida for a cyclone (or build a top hat myself).

I would like to have 3-4 tools permanently attached (with blast gates) and have a roaming hose to attach to a tool that is mounted on a cart.

Thanks,

Dan

P.S. $1000 isn’t too expensive necessarily but there might be parts that aren’t a value in a complete setup and could be more affordable elsewhere.


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#1 posted 02-03-2019 08:57 PM

I forgot to mention the tools and sizes but instead of listing them all and their CFM requirements, I figured, “Somebody has been through this before” and I would like to hear if your upgrades have been satisfactory or not.

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#2 posted 02-04-2019 12:56 AM

I think you will get better performance and possibly lower overall price by buying a system that was designed to work together rather than buying separate components and integrating them. There is more to the engineering than you think. Oneida is just one of many companies that sell two stage cyclone dust collectors and they are not known for value pricing. I would shop around some more before making a decision.

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#3 posted 02-04-2019 06:14 AM



I think you will get better performance and possibly lower overall price by buying a system that was designed to work together rather than buying separate components and integrating them. There is more to the engineering than you think. Oneida is just one of many companies that sell two stage cyclone dust collectors and they are not known for value pricing. I would shop around some more before making a decision.

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Agree completely.

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#4 posted 02-04-2019 08:08 PM

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#5 posted 02-15-2019 10:33 PM


I think you will get better performance and possibly lower overall price by buying a system that was designed to work together rather than buying separate components and integrating them. There is more to the engineering than you think. Oneida is just one of many companies that sell two stage cyclone dust collectors and they are not known for value pricing. I would shop around some more before making a decision.

- ArtMann

Agree completely.

- Manitario

Do you have any recommendations of complete systems that do offer a value to the customer? I’m open to suggestions. I just figured that piecing it together would be more cost effective but if the performance is going to lack, then I obviously don’t want to do that. I’m just wondering what fair pricing is for a larger system.

Thanks,

Dan

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#6 posted 02-16-2019 01:08 AM

Grizzly offers some favorable products but you have to watch out. Their new “portable” 3 horsepower collector (G0862) doesn’t have the same performance as the older stationary 3 horsepower (G0441). Jet and Laguna make dust collectors that I have looked at only briefly that might be good for you. Baleigh is another company that I don’t know much about.

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#7 posted 02-16-2019 02:00 AM

I bought my 3HP Grizzly (G0441 style) for $150 off craigslist. 2 Wynn filters at $189 each? and one Super Dust Deputy XL (the one with 6” inlet/outlet) i think was around $200.
So i’m into my dust collection setup (not including ducting) of $750. Granted, this was over a period of time where I could not afford a one shot dust collection setup of $1000.
I bought the Grizzly first. Then I made a economical Thein Baffle using the supplied cloth 20-30 micron cloth bags. Eventually, funds to buy the Wynn filters. And then much later, the SSD XL.
If I had $800+ at the start, I would of went Oneida setup. But, life doesn’t work that way.

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#8 posted 02-17-2019 07:37 AM

The amount of tools attached at 3 hp doesn’t matter if you’re only going to be running 1 tool at a time. You also have different needs based on tool, table saws are like 300-500cfm vs 800cfm for 14+ planers.

I certainly went an extremely roundabout route and did some crazy build. Would’ve been much cheaper and faster to buy a whole new set. I’ve seen some good $1000 oneidas show up on craigslist and I was about the point to scrap everything I had done to buy the oneida.

Basically I had a grabbag of different dust collection spiral pipig from 8” down to 4” and I couldn’t decide whether I wanted to vent outside and mount or on the ground and all. Then I had an oneida cyclone $239 6” exhaust port model except my DC was capable of 8”. Long story short, I am not using that Cyclone and run 8” ducting from the dust collector then down to 4” at the tools and still get 1000cfm at each tool. I almost lose my tools that measure the CFM because it sucks so hard. When I have 2 blast gates open, I still get 600-800CFM at both ports. My DC is a PM075/1900.

Depending on the size and location you’re looking to put it among other things, if I could do it all over again, i’d buy a new set and not try to mix a hodge podge of things.

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#9 posted 02-17-2019 11:04 AM

Just wondering?? Have you given the HF the same treatment as you are talking about giving the “stronger” unit?

If you are looking at a cyclone, canister type set up, most of the bare bones would carry over for a while from what the HF needs to a basic 3Hp motor unit, so even if you felt like you needed more Ummmph, you could use the add on’s with something else.

Already said, one tool at a time the 1550 the HF offers if boosted for efficient use can get a lot of work done.

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#10 posted 02-17-2019 12:52 PM

So, the PM075/1900 gives 1000 cfm thru a 4” port? Interesting as I am running a 5 hp with 15” impeller and can only get at best 700-800 cfm. With a smaller motor and impeller, you are getting 1000 cfm? I would be very interested in how you measure this.

The HF does not get 1550 cfm. At best it gets maybe 600 cfm. In a recent thread saga poster by the name Clagwell presented data on the HF unit showing the base unit and the effect of the usual modifications.

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#11 posted 02-17-2019 03:47 PM



So, the PM075/1900 gives 1000 cfm thru a 4” port? Interesting as I am running a 5 hp with 15” impeller and can only get at best 700-800 cfm. With a smaller motor and impeller, you are getting 1000 cfm? I would be very interested in how you measure this.

The HF does not get 1550 cfm. At best it gets maybe 600 cfm. In a recent thread saga poster by the name Clagwell presented data on the HF unit showing the base unit and the effect of the usual modifications.

- Redoak49

I can send you pictures. How many bends do you have going on?

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#12 posted 02-17-2019 03:50 PM

http://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/302550

This shows my setup. I have another one that shows the interior of my garage. When I get home later today I’ll show the meter…hopefully I don’t lose it into the machine

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#13 posted 02-17-2019 07:45 PM

You can see my system and measurements in my blogs.

What meter are you using. It sounds like you are using a small vane anemometer. If so the accuracy is really poor. I did a blog where I illustrated the problems with them.

I used a hot wire anemometer taking measurements across the diameter of the duct. My blogs also show my test methodology.

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#14 posted 02-18-2019 02:11 AM

Yup. Cheap from amazon. I can definitely see it being inaccurate as it was only $20 and the 5” opening is larger than the vane itself. But I just wanted this to get a ballpark of where I’m at. Otherwise I would’ve bought the $100+ one

So 150 ft/s from a 5” pipe. ( i have other ones off of 4” port but those are harder to access and doing the same calculations resulted in same cfm)

(5/12) /2 = radius
Radius x pi x 150ft/s x 60s = 1200 cfm.


You can see my system and measurements in my blogs.

What meter are you using. It sounds like you are using a small vane anemometer. If so the accuracy is really poor. I did a blog where I illustrated the problems with them.

I used a hot wire anemometer taking measurements across the diameter of the duct. My blogs also show my test methodology.

- Redoak49


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#15 posted 02-18-2019 02:23 AM

Well, if you have one that works, but not as well as you like, use the luxury of time and find one at auction or on craig’s list. Mine was $700:

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