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Joe Lyddon

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02-02-2019 09:49 PM

Topic tags/keywords: fusion 360 autodesk fusion cad cam cadcam sketchup computer aided design cnc free

Have you seen Fusion 360?

I have been studying it, along with CNC systems…
Fusion 360 handles the CAD part as well as the CNC CAM part of it (and a lot more) all in ONE software package!

Whether I get into CNC or NOT, I am convinced that using it for Design is EASIER and more powerful than Sketchup!
... and for us Hobbyists (small businesses) with less than $100,000 per year income from it, or students, IT CAN BE USED FREE!!

Here is one project I really like… (YouTube, a great resource)... by Lars Christensen
This is the BEST Model I have come across in getting me understanding it, etc.
“A Simple Wooden Box & Some Parameters” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdI86Q3ukFc&t=17s

Another great educational Beginners Series is:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bc9c3S12g
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXRMzJWo0-Q&t=12s
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS8dYA_Iluc&t=10s

Here is another cool tutorial project… Design a drawer with Dovetails!
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ2ymIljiWk&t=12s
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsG3dV8XSnI&t=10s
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxR5iw3KWlQ&t=9s
Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6Sg2bCTGc&t=10s

There are numerous other Tutorials… but these Two are really GOOD… Slowly presented so you can SEE what is going on!

Watch all of them in FULLSCREEN…!!

So far, I find it AMAZINGLY POWERFULL… and it’s NICE to be able to use it FREE!! <===

Has anyone discovered it and using it?

After the Designing (CAD) section is covered, you can go on to the CNC sections… etc.
I have to get through the CAD part first!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php


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stefang

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#1 posted 02-03-2019 01:29 PM

I watched the video Joe and it looks like a great program. I’m sure it will be a benefit for those who use drawing programs a lot.

I have used Sketchup in the past with great results, as everything in the drawings come out exactly the same in the actual product. I have to say though that I find these programs take up a lot of time and are not too helpful for most projects except perhaps for ones with a lot complicated joinery, angles, curves, etc. where it will prevent a lot of mistakes on the actual build.

The problem for me has been that since it is not needed for most projects and is therefore seldom used, my skills with the program deteriorate rapidly requiring that I have to spend a lot of time re-learning parts of it all over again.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#2 posted 02-03-2019 01:46 PM

You might check this thread: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/302869

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#3 posted 02-03-2019 08:59 PM



You might check this thread: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/302869

- CharlesA

Charles,

Thank you for the Link! I was strapped for time & didn’t feel like Searching LJ, etc.

I posted links to make Woodworking the Main Objective… & I felt most of us would be interested in it.

I love the way Parameters can be used and Design changes made so quickly, etc. by using them! Awesome!
Beautifully done, IMHO of a Life in Data Processing Systems, Programming, etc. etc. To me, Fusion has done it Right and is much more direct to the point of getting something done…

Sketchup, to me, is one of the WORST User Friendly programs I have ever seen or tried to use!

Fusion can be frustrating… One MUST take the time to Study and Learn the ropes, commands, tricks, etc.

I have been focusing on Woodworking and the possibility of getting into CNC w/o spending a Fortune to do it.

That is what got me looking at Fusion… THEN, it became obvious that it was a fantastic Design tool, better than SU… So, I am going with Fusion, at least for Woodworking project design whether I get into CNC or not!

I have been studying videos like these, in my links, and about ready to plan and tackle some projects I have been wanting to do for a long time.

Thank again!

It was nice seeing your interest in it too… I think we’re singing out of the same book! :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#4 posted 02-06-2019 05:35 PM

I downloaded F360 last year when I picked up a 3D printer. I considered using it for woodworking, but I assumed that since Sketchup was the defacto software for woodworking, F360 wasn’t going to work for me. The problem was that I never really “got” Sketchup. It seems very unintuitive, and I always felt like I was fighting the software rather than designing projects the way I wanted to.

Having now watched some videos (and discovering MapBoard!!), I realize that I may have found in F360 a one-stop software solution for all my needs!

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#5 posted 02-06-2019 08:40 PM

[big Smile]

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#6 posted 02-06-2019 10:19 PM

I started F360 at some point and all the tutorials were terrible so I set it aside. The most common problem I found is that guys would make mistakes then fix it without telling you and keep going like it never happened then at some point your drawing doesn’t match theirs. I would have to go back and watch the video several times to find the mistakes and watch their keystrokes to help figure out what they did. Since I didn’t have a pressing need for 360 I never worked through it.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#7 posted 02-07-2019 07:33 PM



I started F360 at some point and all the tutorials were terrible so I set it aside. The most common problem I found is that guys would make mistakes then fix it without telling you and keep going like it never happened then at some point your drawing doesn t match theirs. I would have to go back and watch the video several times to find the mistakes and watch their keystrokes to help figure out what they did. Since I didn t have a pressing need for 360 I never worked through it.

- Woodknack

Look for Lars Christensen on YouTube (works for Autodesk)... His videos have helped me a lot…

Especially the Beginner posts…

I have found that when he makes a mistake, he admits it… and proceeds to FIX IT right then & there during his recorded LIVE Program.

I am still learning it… It CAN be very frustrating… I too have watched his videos SEVERAL TIMES making Notes and developing procedures to follow; click by click!! I am getting there… Slow… BUT WILL DO IT! :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#8 posted 07-24-2019 02:28 PM

Making the comparison of Sketchup vs Fusion 360, is like comparing apples to oranges. Sketchup is easier, and has many Plug-ins to assist you in modeling. It fails, when you want to export for CAD/CAM. My past experience, exporting from Sketchup in DXF or DWG only imports as a wireframe. ​I’m using BobCad, and this may be different with other CAD/CAM software.​

​With Fusion 360, it opens and saves in the Sketchup .skp format. This open a new world, to both​ ​Sketchup and Fusion 360. You now, can download CAD files, in additional formats, which Sketchup will not nat​ively open. For example: You can visit Grabcad.com, and download STEP files and they will open​ in Fusion 360​, with surfaces and colors.​ ​Next, you can save that file in the Sketchup .skp format, and open it in Sketchup for editing. Editing in Sketchup, is not without problems. Some of the surfaces will need replacing, to push and pull.

​I could not get good results using Windows 10. On my Mac Pro 2013, files open quicker without error messages concerning my graphics card. I have found both programs perform better tasks than each other.​ Additionally, Fusion 360 will cut parts using adaptive cutting, a feature reserved for very expensive CAD/CAM programs.

Both programs can be free. Sketchup Make, and the hobbyist Fusion 360.

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#9 posted 07-25-2019 12:50 AM

Yep… Apples vs Oranges… :)

BUT, many use both…

Bottom Line:
Once you learn HOW to use Fusion 360, you can DO So much MORE with Fusion 360… taking results all the way to a CNC, 3D Printer, or a simple paper printer… As well as being able to EASILY Change dimensions via Parameters, making tweaking final results MUCH EASIER.

Fusion 360, to me, is very HARD to learn, very UNFRIENDLY… BUT, after watching good videos, etc. it eventually rubs off to make things easier to do… Just to run into MORE problems to be learned about MAKING it a VERY FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE! I can do more than before & FEEL GOOD when it works… then, get hit between the eyes when something else that DOES NOT WORK forcing you back to the Drawing Board!

Fusion 360 is extremely POWERFUL… written for the Business World, etc. It’s nice for us hobbyists to be able have it at our fingertips absolutely FREE. BUT, we have to pay the price of FRUSTRATION!

I will stick with Fusion 360…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#10 posted 07-25-2019 04:29 AM

Let me just add that if you are a Veteran, you can get a license for Solidworks for $20 a year

https://files.solidworks.com/pdf/EDU_MVP_2013.pdf

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#11 posted 07-25-2019 04:41 AM



Let me just add that if you are a Veteran, you can get a license for Solidworks for $20 a year

https://files.solidworks.com/pdf/EDU_MVP_2013.pdf

- John_


-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#12 posted 07-25-2019 04:44 AM



Let me just add that if you are a Veteran, you can get a license for Solidworks for $20 a year

https://files.solidworks.com/pdf/EDU_MVP_2013.pdf

- John_

I have seen things about Solidworks & every time it has been up against Fusion 360…

I am going to stick with Fusion 360… Have fun with Solidworks… :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#13 posted 07-25-2019 04:33 PM

I have worked in Sketchup for many years, and would consider myself on a higher level. Now I can open those files in Fusion and 3D print or machine using an adaptive tool path. I have been spending a good amount of time transferring files from one to the other. Here are my observations.

1. If possible, use a Mac with the maximum amount of ram. Using a higher rez monitor / graphics card makes a world of difference. I only have generic PC’s, which would work better, if they were top end.

2. When transferring a file from Fusion into Sketchup, you may not be able to push and pull surfaces. You can delete the surface, and regenerate it using Sketchup. Not that big of a deal, when you consider what you have achieved. Grouping and scaling does not seem to be effected, and work well.

Steve

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fivecodys

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#14 posted 07-25-2019 05:51 PM

Thanks Joe for the tutorial links.
I have downloaded the free version but haven’t got it going yet. I have been a SketchUp user for a few years now and it works well but I have been very curious about Fusion 360.
Thank you again for your post.

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#15 posted 07-25-2019 06:41 PM



I have seen things about Solidworks & every time it has been up against Fusion 360…

I am going to stick with Fusion 360… Have fun with Solidworks… :)

- Joe Lyddon

When you take into account that an annual license for Solidworks is $4,000 and you compare it to a free version of Fusion 360 for home/hobby use, a lot of people for obvious reasons are going to go with the free version.

Personally, I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, and I appreciate Solidworks making this offer to Military Veterans. Again, I was just trying to point out to others that may be Military Veterans, this incredible offer

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