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EEWizard

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02-01-2019 05:51 PM

Hello all,

I am fairly new to woodworking, and just starting to build up my collection of tools. As far as table saws are concerned, I am looking for a decent hybrid that I won’t feel like I’ll have to upgrade in the near future if I’m going to spend a decent amount of money. This has steered me away from the Rigid R4512, and I seem to be leaning towards the Grizzly G0771Z or Shop Fox W1837. They seem fairly similar in price point and features, and I am leaning towards the shop fox due to the fact that it has an integrated mobility and the 2 year warranty.

On a side note, I am looking at an old JET JWTS-10JF from the 90’s this weekend from Craigslist which is being offered at 450. I figured if I get this at a lower price, I won’t mind upgrading later on in the future.

Feel free to provide your expertise and any experience you may have to assist me in making this decision.

Thanks in advance


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#1 posted 02-01-2019 06:11 PM

The G0771Z offers a full enclosure and solid cast wings vs the steel wings on the SF.

The older Jet for $450 seems high unless it has an Xacta fence, solid cast wings, is in mint shape, and has other extras. The “JF” suffix suggests the standard Jet fence….that fence with steel wings came on their basic contractor saw, which at that age in average condition is worth <$300 IMO.

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#2 posted 02-01-2019 06:21 PM

The only functional difference I see between Grizzly and Shop Fox is the mobility of the Shop Fox and the dust collection port on the Grizzly. I have owned a couple of Grizzly machines and they work well. I’m not familiar with Shop Fox so you might want some personal opinions from people who have their tools.
The 2 hp motors will preform much better if you wire them for 220v. More torque.

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#3 posted 02-03-2019 07:59 AM

I have the G0771Z, Have it wired for 110v, and pleased with this table saw.The Grizzly and the Shop Fox are owned by the same people (company). The Grizzly Brand was originally for store and internet sales, where the Shop Fox Brand was primarily sold online and distributors.

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#4 posted 02-03-2019 01:36 PM

Are you still with us EEWizard?

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#5 posted 02-03-2019 02:09 PM

I have the g0883p the 771z is mine with a cheaper aluminum fence minus the dust collection in the blade guard. its has a pretty good motor in it. with a good blade you can cut a 4×4 no problem. it will bog down a little if you push it to hard on 110v. blade changes are pretty easy. it comes with a dado insert atleast mine did. an extra washer for the blade and a wrench. over all im very happy with mine. id get the mobile base. and get someone to help put wings on. and unload the thing its about 400 lbs. make sure to follow direction when installing the wings and have a good straight edge. I installed my wings alone and it took about 30 min to get the table dead flat. probably take less with help.

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EEWizard

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#6 posted 02-04-2019 03:56 PM

My head is still spinning a bit with all the choices and reviews out there.

Ive read a couple horror stories on some people’s experience with Grizzly, which doesn’t help make choices any easier but I haven’t ruled them out completely.

I definitely align with the notion of buying quality the first time, such that it will last, and I won’t be wishing I had spent a couple hundred more for a really nice feature. That said, I think I’d like cast wings and a good fence foremost. I like the idea of decent dust collection, but that is second to the cutting experience. Of other features I don’t know enough yet to know if the combination of this or that feature makes the jump in cost worth it.

I’ve expanded my search a bit and I think I’d be willing to go up to something in the range of the JET proshop II with the cast wings ($1499 minus 10% on woodcraft), which seems to have a nice fence but is not as great with dust collection. I also like the idea of a solid 5 year warranty. Others I looked at were the Laguna Fusion F2, and the Grizzly G0833P.

The question I have is are these worth it or would i be better off getting a G0771Z and just getting an aftermarket fence later on, and are there any others you would suggest. Thanks for all the responses so far!

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#7 posted 02-04-2019 06:13 PM

If you’re considering up to $1500, you should be also considering an older Powermatic model 66, which is a beast of a machine and will run for a long time. There are a number of them in CL and eBay, and you can also find them at used equipment sites. I’ve seen them as low at $600, and as high as $2200, depending on how much extra stuff comes with them (size of rip fence, CI table extension, mobile dolly, out feed table, etc.).

As for me, I’m looking seriously at the model 72 which runs a 12’-14” blade and has more table surface area in front of the blade for better feed control. Interestingly, the 72’s I’ve seen seem to only run $100-$200 more than the 66’s, but they are much heavier machines (think of playing around with a 900 lb saw in your garage).

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#8 posted 02-05-2019 05:51 PM

for what it’s worth, I just bought the G0833P and am pleased with it. I have had it since the second of Jan, but shortly thereafter went on vacation that resulted in me having to have surgery. I had it mostly assembled prior to vacation, but had not cut on it yet. I made my first cuts on it saturday and couldn’t be happier. The only thing that I am not 100% pleased with is the fence. It has this “2 position” fence that has a high and a low setting. I’m still researching options, but from what I can see, it doesn’t allow to position a sacrificial fence on the fence (for burying a dado stack for example). However, I know that in the near future, I am upgrading to a TS/LS from Incra, so I didn’t take the fence into account. For the time being, I’ll probably just throw a piece of 8020 on it .

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#9 posted 02-05-2019 06:12 PM

I have had both a Grizzly 1023rlx and a Powermatic PM2000. 0 complaints on either of them and the only reason I got rid of the grizzly is I only had room for one saw and I chose to keep the one with a modern riving knife.

In that $1500 range you could find either of those models in the used market.

As far as customer service goes, the only problem I have had with Grizzly is some parts can be hard to find when they redesign or replace models. Everyone I have talked to or emailed has been very professional and helpful but some parts just don’t seem to exist, particularly for smaller machines.

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#10 posted 02-05-2019 07:36 PM

Hi EEWizard – I just purchased a SF W1837 on Sunday. This is an upgrade to Dewalt 4591. I am a relatively novice woodworker. I used a RAS for about 40 years but that for rough carpentry around the house. I’ve had the Dewalt for about year and It is not enough saw.

I looked at both the Grizzly G0771Z and the Shop Fox (Also the Delta 36-725). The 2 key differences are the wings and the mobility. Additionally, I was able to purchase the Shop Fox locally so I could actually put my hands on it. I met 2 woodworkers during one of my many trips to the store who downsized when they retired and both had this saw, theSF. One told me it was quite serviceable and would likely provide many years of use. (Maybe he was hired by the shop. LOL!) He also noted that the operator had more do with turning out quality pieces than the equipment.

The SF has built in mobility which was critical to me as I can not have a dedicated workshop. I could have purchased a caster system for the Griz but that would have added cost. The wings were an important issue, but I decided that I would give it a go with the steel.

The comments I read regarding the Grizzly and their service are pretty favorable. As RobHannon points out, they seem to be very responsive.

I will not be able to assemble the saw until Thursday because I’m trying to finish a project that is taking up space in my work area. Then, I am leaving town for 10 days so I won’t be able to write a useful (I hope) review until I return and use the saw for a bit. If you’ve not read Knotscott’s treatise on table saws, look it on this forum (I don’t have time to find it right now). It’s quite informative.

Let me know if you have any questions, and I’ll do my best to answer them. I hope this helped a bit. All the best. Forrest

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#11 posted 02-05-2019 11:26 PM

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#12 posted 03-20-2020 02:55 PM

Thank you to everyone for this advice and information. Based on what I was told here, and some advice from a friend, I went with the, “Buy it for life approach” so I don’t have to go through this process five years down the road.

I ended up with the Grizzly 1023RL for the motor power and modern features. It took me awhile to set it up because I had to run 240V to my garage, but it was well worth the effort in the end. The saw is wonderfully accurate and goes smoothly through anything I send through it. The only negative I have to report about the saw is the dust collection, but I’ll deal with it for now and will probably modify it in the future.

Happy woodworking!

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#13 posted 03-22-2020 12:57 AM

The 1023RL was a good choice.
Can you elaborate on dust collection being a negative?

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#14 posted 03-22-2020 10:37 AM

Gee, I thought I took a long time to decide. A year eh?
How is the quality of the Grizzly? Any issues at all? Feature and price wise, it looks like an excellent choice even though of course, I want a Powermatic for twice the price. Looking At the parts diagram, it has the massive trunnion not unlike the contractor series PM.

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#15 posted 03-22-2020 11:10 AM

The grizzly was a good choice over shop fox. The local woodworking store stopped carrying shop fox based on the quality of what they were getting had dropped significantly. The trade off was the started carrying Lugana Tools.

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