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knotdust

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01-12-2019 11:28 PM

well I picked 2 # 5 planes at an estate sale today. The one is marked Bailey #5 but has a Stanley cap so I’m thinking someone somewhere did some mixing. The other looks almost identical but no markings other than made in the USA.
The tote is marked Fulton but looks like it may have been a replacement Paid $10 for the flat. There will be some rust clean up and careful washing to get some crud off. Then there will be some de-rusting of the irons, cap etc.

Both look almost identical except for the lack of manufactures marking on one. So it may be an orphan plane of some brand

I missed a Baily # 7 for $5.00 on another table because I didn’t have my hand up in time. It looked to be in much better shape . Hard to keep ahead with 2 auctioneers selling off 2 rows of tables. That’s the life of auctions though. Win some. Lose some

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#1 posted 01-13-2019 12:26 AM

The “stanley” AND the “Bailey” are the same plane. It was Stanley’s tribute to L. Bailey.

Fulton was a brand name sold at Sears & Roebuck, before the Craftsman line up was started. Depending on which maker won the contract, it may be by Stanley, may be by Sargent. Later models ( after 1929) could have been by Millers Falls.

There may be a number code stamped on the iron, at the top. Sometimes, they stamped it into the lefthand side of the base…

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#2 posted 01-13-2019 04:16 AM

I have two Stanley/Bailey No. 5 planes. One has a cap with the word “Stanley” and the other is plain. Both have been in my possession for many, many years and no parts have been replaced.

-- Phil Allin - There are mountain climbers and people who talk about climbing mountains. The climbers have "selfies" at the summit!

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#3 posted 01-13-2019 02:31 PM

Kontdust, sounds like some good finds. To clarify the Stanley-Bailey confusion, a bit of Stanley Rule & Level Co. history… Leonard Bailey designed and patented the movable frog, two piece iron, chip breaker, and depth adjustment in 1858 & 1867. He made planes for a brief period in the late 1860s until Stanley bought his patents and then Stanley started making Bailey “pattern” planes. It wasn’t until 1902 that Stanley put Bailey’s name on the toe of those planes. Interesting that Stanley’s Bailey pattern planes never had the name “Stanley” on the plane bed. Just on the iron, later lever caps and on the lateral lever. What you have does not indicate mixed parts, it is correct as produced by Stanley. The Stanley name on the lever cap was begun in about 1925.
Regards, The Kentucky Toolsmith

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#4 posted 01-13-2019 06:51 PM

Thanks for the clarification, KYtoolsmith.

-- Phil Allin - There are mountain climbers and people who talk about climbing mountains. The climbers have "selfies" at the summit!

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knotdust

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#5 posted 01-13-2019 09:28 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I had known some of that history but not all. The Bailey I have may well be original with the unmarked lever cap. All the parts look to be about the same age but I haven’t found any Stanley name stamped on any of the parts. However, I haven’t had it all apart to look at it deeply. It doesn’t look to be used hard. The sole looks nice and straight and I can’t see any cracks in the throat or body of the plane. Much of Japanning is still present as well. I will clean it up carefully and it may become a good plane.

The Fulton appears much the same. Other than the nameless body it looks like it was cast in the same factory. The only way I knew it might be something else was the tote had a Fulton Decal on it and there were no markings other than made in the USA. Someone put a Stanley lever cap on it at some point. Again this unit has seen very little use and may very well become one of my user planes.

Sure spites me I didn’t get that Bailey #7 as well but just didn’t have my hand up quick enough to be the one to make the pick. That’s how sales go though and you can’t win them all especially when they have tables upon tables of stuff and you are back and forth between 2 auctioneers.

This guy went to garage sales, estate sales and was a registered buyer on US government auctions. The problem was that he never sold anything. Most of the tools like wrenches, sockets screw driver etc were off brand stuff. Not craftsman, snapon and the like. There were a few of those but not many. It took 3 auctioneers from 9 AM working 3- 4 solid hours with no breaks to get everything sold. The family took out what they needed then the auctioneer went in with his guys. They hauled 18 loads to the scrap yard and I forget how many dumpster loads of trash. This guy was a packrat to beat any packrat. This was what was left to sell after they sold off over 15 rental units (rental war style) all packed full of stuff. If it was government issue old analog electronic gear he probably had it, much of it with US Army or NASA ID tags. Of course with all the digital stuff other than collector status much of this was useless to most people. They did get a lot of it sold but not all. Some stuff just had no value and went into the dumpster or to thrift stores.

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#6 posted 01-14-2019 01:45 AM

Too bad you missed out on the 7. 7s and 8s are hard to find in good shape + low asking price. I’ve been resurrecting Stanley planes and other tools for quite a few years. I’ve had a bunch of planes pass thru my shop… And acquired a fair sized library on Stanley and related makers… Member of the Midwest Tool Collector’s Association… Gotten very deep in the hand plane rabbit hole. I actually found an honest-to-gosh real Bailey (not Stanley) plane a couple of weeks ago… Super rare! No markings except on the depth adjusting wheel… It was being sold as a Stanley because it had a later Stanley iron in it.

Regards, the Kentucky Toolsmith!

-- "Good enough" is just another way of saying "it could be better"...

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knotdust

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#7 posted 01-14-2019 02:37 AM

Yeah it kind of stunk because I would have bid quite a bit higher than $5 for that selection. I was right in there though in case he took something else. Can’t fault him though. That was definitely the steal of the day in my opinion.

Wow on the real Bailey plane. That would be a rarity for sure. What does something like that sell for?

I saw a Stanley #1 sell at a tool auction. Someone told me if I ever had the chance to watch one sell. The said it would probably go for around $700. That was where it started and went for over $1000. That is way too rich for my checkbook. I have the LV replica but I would have no reason to purchase an original. It would need to be setting in a display case at that price LOL. I’m sure that is where it went. It wasn’t on the block more than 10 minutes

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KYtoolsmith

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#8 posted 01-14-2019 01:22 PM

Yeah, the Bailey was a great find at $19 in a flea market. Don’t know what it may be worth… Never seen one up for sale. Once in a while you get lucky… My No. 1 (Type 4) was in a glass case among lighters and small knickknacks… Marked “squirrel tail block plane” The shop keeper opened the case when I asked to look at it and when he turned the tag over, he apologized, saying; “Oh, everything in this case is 10% off… The tag read $27.00.

Regards, the Kentucky Toolsmith!

-- "Good enough" is just another way of saying "it could be better"...

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knotdust

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#9 posted 01-14-2019 02:54 PM

I hope you didn’t blink on either of those prices. I would have been reaching for my wallet without further questions. Sometimes you are just the right place at the right time. After all ’” all good things come to those who wait” In this area seems like most places have a good idea of the value of antiques so you don’t often find bargains like that.

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#10 posted 01-16-2019 11:41 PM

Welcome to the hand plane slippery slope. Careful. You’ll blink and there will be a 100 sitting there.

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#11 posted 01-24-2019 03:31 PM

well I don’t think there will be 100 setting around here. Don’t have a lot of extra cash lying around on Social Security.
I do have several others. I have a older Sargent I picked up years ago and reworked. I have a Lee Nielsen #1 replica just for anyhow and the #98 & 99 replicas. I have a couple mini infill’s I picked up somewhere and will watch for others at auctions. Wouldn’t mind having a Bailey #7 sometime

on another issue. Where do you guys find Evaporust. I can’t seem to find it anywhere locally. Haven’t tried the Auto parts stores yet but no one else seems to carry it.

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#12 posted 01-24-2019 03:49 PM

Got a harbor freight nearby? They carry it.

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#13 posted 01-25-2019 01:48 AM

closest Harbor Freight is 13 miles and not in a direction I travel to shop. Was hoping to find it in the near vicinity. The next closest one is about 15-17 miles but I get in that area once in a great while. Oh well I will have to see if I can find an excuse to travel out of my usual area. :)

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#14 posted 01-28-2019 05:46 PM

Some auto parts stores around here carry Evaporust – its good stuff! The one I saw it in was O’Reilly. My usual Autozone doesn’t have it, and I don’t recall seeing it at Advance, but it may just depend on when their suppliers show up with stuff. Probably get a better idea by searching on-line.

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#15 posted 01-28-2019 07:43 PM

Tractor supply, farm & fleet type stores carry it

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