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riFph

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01-09-2019 11:43 AM

Morning everyone.

I have finally started to pick up some bigger tools. Up till now I’ve had a small matter saw, and a simple circular to do all my cutting. I’ve spent a lot of time reading and checking craigslist and have come across a couple saws that look interesting. I understand that with will need a new fence, but I would appreciate your opinions on these two craftsman saws.

The first is this one:
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/tls/d/san-ysidro-craftsman-saw-table/6774093726.html
I contacted him, it does have A fence, but he doesn’t know if it’s the original one so it probably is. 1980, 113.299040, I’ve read its a good TS.

The second is harder to make out, one a couple pictures:
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/tls/d/table-saw-10-craftsman/6789876194.html
I’m guessing 1950s but you will probably know better.

Both of these are close to me and I would love to hear what I should look at, and what to check if I go look at them.

Thank you for your help.


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Woodbum

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#1 posted 01-09-2019 12:22 PM

Of the two, go with the 113 model. Based on the pictures, in my humble opinion $200 is a bit steep; having owned a 1985 similar model that I bought new and used for 24 years. I sold it 5 years ago for $125 and it had cast iron wings, a mobility kit and was MUCH cleaner. Just sayin.

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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#2 posted 01-09-2019 02:12 PM

If San Diego is like Dallas the Craigslist pickings are slim when it comes to tools.
Having said that my first saw was a variant of the 113.
I would recommend not buying it.
The stamped steel extensions are not flat, the middle section of them is about 1/8” lower than the perimeter and it’s a complete pain in the rear.
The rip fence is terrible, I had to check it for parallelism every time I moved it.
Good luck.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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Robert

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#3 posted 01-09-2019 02:16 PM

Its a big decision you don’t want to get wrong. I started out with one of those C’man tablesaws and it was a horror show. The fences are junk, the machine is underpowered and because of those two, extremely unsafe. Which is something you DON’T want for your first ts. The missing side of my thumb proves that.

So trust me I would avoid them totally. Plus the cost of adding a fence is more than the machine is worth. That said, the new model C’mans are probably OK.

Quick search yields some fantastic deals in your area!! The Powermatic is a great deal if you can swing it.

But in that price range:

This is a much better deal if you’re stuck on C(raps)man.

This is even better.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#4 posted 01-09-2019 02:39 PM

I personally like the craftsman 113 that I have. I do agree with most everyone that the $200 is almost double what it’s worth. As far as safety goes, 99.9% or table saws will cut u as well as wood if u touch the blade. The only exception that I’m aware of is the sawstop which is a $2,000 + alternative.
If you can find a nice 113 for $150 or less that has all the parts and is in good shape I’d say go for it but to me the one listed is not worth it.
I’d suggest you do one of two things. Buy the cheap $70 saw (maybe they’ll come down to $50) and use it a bit while u learn on it (then sell it with little to no loss of money) or go to Menards or some other big store and buy the cheapest belt driven saw they have. I highly suggest tht you keep away from all the contractor saws that the big box stores sell. They are fairly close to junk unless you just desire the ability to fold them up due to work space constraints.
The two links that 2156 posted above are good deals if they are still around for u to get

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Aj2

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#5 posted 01-09-2019 03:02 PM

I think you should wait also expand your search. Don’t forget to be creative with on CL spell tablesaw one word. And with space. Table saw. Find that hidden gem

-- Aj

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Makai

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#6 posted 01-09-2019 03:30 PM

Even though I had a Bosch Jobsite 4000 series table saw, a friend was selling his unwanted Craftsman 113- priced at $200, in much better condition than that listing, (very little rust, extra steel wing, and under table router mount). I completely rebuilt it and in hindsight it was OK at best.

Compared to the Bosch, the fence rarely locked down parallel to blade on first try, dust control was zero, and the abrupt motor startup caused the whole saw to jump a little. It did run smoothly after settling down. Not as nice as the Bosch soft-start. It didn’t come with a miter gauge and the t-slot was an odd size. I did ream the slot out enough to use the miter gauge from my Bosch. The wider table was nice, and the power was good. Sold it a year later for $200, it was not a quick sell.

For myself the Bosch was the better saw. I like working around the Bosch, and it is the one I kept. Of course the Bosch with gravity rise stand runs about $500 new, not sure about used prices.

I would not consider either one a precision saw for cabinet making.

Consider your goals and widen the search.

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riFph

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#7 posted 01-09-2019 03:35 PM

Thanks for the replies

I’ve been looking mostly at the C’mans because there are a lot of threads about them and, with the exception of the fence, seemed to be well regarded.

rwe2156, I saw the Delta saw, but what little I found about them didn’t seem promising. Lesser quality and super loud, and no dust control. If they are decent I will spend some more time researching them.

Aj2, yes, Tablesaw, Table saw, and even just saw.

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#8 posted 01-09-2019 03:41 PM

The fences on those old 113s are truly crap. If you’re resolved to go with one of those (they have the advantage of being plentiful, after all), plan on spending some money for a better fence. Or, keep your eye out for a decent deal on better hybrid or cabinet saw.

Whichever saw you get, make sure you align it carefully and get a new blade for it.

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#9 posted 01-09-2019 04:53 PM

Keep looking, don’t be in a hurry and a good deal will come your way. You can certainly do better than those 2 saws.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#10 posted 01-09-2019 06:28 PM

I’d agree with everyone else about the 113. It’s definitely not worth that, but it’s not beyond me to give a low offer on stuff like that. Some folks just have unreasonable expectations or don’t really know what something is worth. It doesn’t hurt to give a fair price offer.

-- All Swept Up Chimney Services. https://allsweptupchimney.com, Chimney repair in Indianapolis, Indiana

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#11 posted 01-09-2019 06:56 PM

I’d pass on both. but if I had to choose between them I’d offer $100 on the 113., It’s only a 1hp, missing the fence, and needs a major clean up. The only positive note is that the table surface can be cleaned up and you may be able to make a inexpensive straight edge fence yourself.

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steve104c

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#12 posted 01-10-2019 12:09 AM

I see a lot of rust. Make sure it runs before you buy. Before plunging in and starting it, hand turn the arbor. If in turns freely,the other rust can be removed without a problem. The first saw looks like a copy of a Delt 10” contractors saw. $200.00 is a good price.Steve.

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#13 posted 01-10-2019 01:11 AM

You didn’t say what your budget is but there is a decent Delta https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/d/vista-table-saw-10/6779696073.html that you could talk them down. It looks clean from the pictures.

This Dewalt and Penn State dust colector that look almost new. https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tls/d/san-diego-dewalt-table-saw-penn-state/6790230629.html

-- mrg

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riFph

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#14 posted 01-11-2019 11:25 PM

I’m back two days later with another one.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tls/d/san-diego-ridgid-10-table-saw/6792407508.html

He says it was his dads but thinks it’s not much more than five years old. It looks like it a rigid 2424 made by Emerson around 2000. I’m going to try and check it out tomorrow.

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#15 posted 01-13-2019 03:07 AM

I agree. I moved from San Diego to DFW a couple of years ago and I was shocked how both areas have such a terrible second hand power tool market.

to the OP – If you’re a beginner, I’d get something with a riving knife.


If San Diego is like Dallas the Craigslist pickings are slim when it comes to tools.
Having said that my first saw was a variant of the 113.
I would recommend not buying it.
The stamped steel extensions are not flat, the middle section of them is about 1/8” lower than the perimeter and it s a complete pain in the rear.
The rip fence is terrible, I had to check it for parallelism every time I moved it.
Good luck.

- Charlie H.


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