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Oldskl426

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01-06-2019 02:51 PM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer laguna cantek oliver

I currently have an 8” Powermatic 60 and am having some issues with the beds staying parallel. Every so often it goes out and I need to adjust the gibs and am fed up with it and I want to move up in size

I am looking to upgrade to a new 12” machine and have seen two major designs that I am interested in. The first; Oliver, Laguna, Baileigh. The 2nd; Powermatic, Cantek, Northtech. The 2nd group seems to be the Delta dj30 style. The first group has the 4 sided helical style head and the 2nd has a 2 sided knife style. Most of the first group has a 5hp and the 2nd group has a 3hp motor. All are Asian motors except for the Oliver which is a 3 hp Baldor. I have single phase, btw.

Bed lengths of the 1st group is about 88” and the 2nd group is about 84”

Would REALLY appreciate feedback on which style machine is preferred and if anyone has any advice on the companies listed above as far as CS, parts, and overall quality.

As of right now, I am between the Laguna because they are running 10% or the Cantek. Both are about the same price. If you know of any members for me to directly contact about their machine, I would appreciate that as well. Thank you in advance.


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#1 posted 01-06-2019 05:27 PM

I am in the same boat as you and I have been doing research on J/P’s. I had a Cutech 8” bench top jointer. I could not get it to cut a straight board for all the tea in China. Every piece was wedge shaped. I spend hours messing with it up to and including buying an aluminum straight edge and contacting Cutech tech support. I subsequently sold the POS. The buyer knew what the issue was. I would LOVE to have a Hammer J/P such as an A3 31, A3 41, or an AD 941. I would opt for the helical option. One of my wood working colleagues has an A3 41 and he absolutely loves it. He believes it will last him for a lifetime. I also looked at Minimax but their machines are WAY to expensive for me. In my opinion if one buys a machine with straight knives one will eventually have the same issue you are currently experiencing.

-- measure 3 times, cut once

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#2 posted 01-06-2019 07:55 PM

The best deal in a larger jointer is the used market. Because you get to inspect the machine before you buy.
I’ve had and used just about every jointer made in America and a few in Asia. And prefer the American made ones direct drive. Straight knives.
If your planning on working with dirty barn wood or high silica content then a helical Head would make sense. But for ordinary domestic woods straight knives are king. 90 % of the time I sit in a chair in front of my jointer and pass wood across the head. The knives just scoop out the wood with very little effort from me.
I have a Oliver jointer that’s 61 years old. The knives last a very long time t1 hss and M2. When they stop scooping and I need to get out of my chair I put new ones in.
I also have planer with a bryd head.
Any questions?

-- Aj

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#3 posted 01-06-2019 08:09 PM

I have looked at some older machines, but typically they seem to be 3 phase and I don’t want to deal with changing a direct drive machine. I’m not completely opposed to straight knife, but one more thing to have to deal with vs the helical head. The footprint of the older machines usually are substantially larger also.

Are there known issues with the new machines?

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#4 posted 01-06-2019 08:13 PM

I also have a Powermatic 12” planer with a Byrd head, so I’m not too interested in a combination machine. The beds on the 12” machines are shorter and would have to get extensions if I went with a Hammer product. Minimax does not offer any extensions for their FS30, which is the brand I would have preferred if it would have worked out. I don’t have room or a budget for a 16” machine, plus my jointer would be bigger than my planer, which doesn’t make much sense.

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#5 posted 01-06-2019 09:04 PM



I have looked at some older machines, but typically they seem to be 3 phase and I don’t want to deal with changing a direct drive machine. I’m not completely opposed to straight knife, but one more thing to have to deal with vs the helical head. The footprint of the older machines usually are substantially larger also.

Are there known issues with the new machines?

- Oldskl426

First, you don’t have to change the motor on a 3ph machine DMD (direct motor drive) or not. While I use an RPC because I have multiple 3ph machines you could very easily use a VFD and would cost under $300 to run a 12” jointer. I ran my 16” Northfield on a VFD for several years before I got an RPC. Footprint varies on old machines but if you are tight on space a 12” Northfield Medium Duty jointer would have shorter beds and you might find a belt driven one that would keep it from being so deep, which DMD machines definitely are.

FYI regarding the next post, you don’t really need extensions on the planer section of the quality J/P combo machines. Take a look at higher end Euro standalone planers (SCM, Felder, Martin) none of them have long beds, they work because they control the board much better than say a 4 post planer. Many people buy them because they think they will need them and end up never using them.

If you stick with new my preference of those brands would be the Cantek. I have owned several of their machines including a 16” jointer and they impressed me for Asian imports. I will also say the Olivers are a very heavy build and look and feel very nice when I have looked at them at IWF/AWFS. If you get a Cantek check with Reardon they often beat the other Cantek dealers on price, but if the price is all equal I would use Hermance unless you have a local dealer.

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#6 posted 01-06-2019 09:28 PM

The guy who owns the Hammer has owned it for +/- 5 years and he tells me he has yet to have an issue with the tables being too short. There is nothing about his Hammer he doesn’t like and he uses it weekly. As far as straight vs. helical cutters I’m of the opinion we, as wood workers, want to spend time making stuff and not playing musical adjustments. Just my 2 cents.

-- measure 3 times, cut once

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#7 posted 01-06-2019 09:30 PM

There’s some good deals on used newer machines. Euro ,Asian ,Vintage if you can wait take some time it will pay off.
I hear ya about 3ph it’s not for everyone I’m maxed out on my service. I wish I could go bigger. I run 5hp 3ph motor off a 10hp converter.
Right now down the street near me is a 36 inch Tannewitz bandsaw for a song looks practically new. I’m pretty sure my service is too soft too start it.
So my point is it good to consider electrical when buying a machinery.
Good luck

-- Aj

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#8 posted 01-06-2019 10:08 PM



...plus my jointer would be bigger than my planer, which doesn’t make much sense.

- Oldskl426

Sounds like that would have been a great excuse to get a NEW PLANER!

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#9 posted 01-06-2019 10:25 PM

I would agree that a new planer would be awesome, but my shop space would not allow for a machine any bigger than the one I have; unfortunately. I am very happy with that machine though.

One of the other issues I have with my current jointer (64” bed length) is that when I face plane an 8’ board, I have a struggle keeping pressure on the infeed table to keep the board on machine well enough, even with roller stands. I was thinking that a longer bed would help alleviate that issue.

I guess it seems as I read any forums with similar issues, everyone has similar responses – ” Go get an old machine and phase converter.” I have an old machine and I’m sure Northfield is a far superior made machine, but I HATE working on machinery when I should be working with wood. I’m sure every machine has it’s limitations, but I was hoping that a new parallelogram would be easier to adjust if necessary and have a longer bed. I am just tired of when I go to use the machine, in the back of my mind I think “is this long piece going to touch the entire length of this board, or will I need to adjust it.”

Thanks for the feedback on the Cantek, it seems to fit the bill on a lot of respects. Looks like the exact same machine as the Powermatic 1285 and Northtech, except the base is different.

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Aj2

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#10 posted 01-06-2019 11:24 PM

Oldski all woodworking Machines need work on a regular basis. Don’t get fooled into the newer needs less attention. The new electronic switches and safety this and that is just as bad as a rust.

-- Aj

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