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Forum topic by Shesh posted 01-05-2019 08:39 PM 1018 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Shesh

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01-05-2019 08:39 PM

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Hi all,

My name is rob and I am new to woodworking. I am a recent first time homeowner and now have a 20’ x 20’ garage where I can start a shop. I know there are a plethora of hand tools I need to buy but as far as power tools, I was going to start with a table saw as that seems to be the piece that would get used the most and which would be the most difficult to replicate with hand tools.

I have looked at many brands Saw Stop, Jet, Powermatic, and Grizzly. I have read some other posts on here regarding the Grizzly saws and the HP’s of the motors and I think I have decided on a saw with a 3HP motor. Mainly for the reasons of not needing as beefy of a circuit nor needing to be switched (I think I read that somewhere about the 5HP motors), and the potential price differences in part replacements. Also the type of projects I intend on pursuing will just be of a weekend hobbyist nature and perhaps some smaller pieces of furniture for my home/patio/garden.

Of the above mentioned brands I’m leaning toward the Grizzly 1023RLW. It seems to have everything I mentioned, 3HP motor, smaller circuit requirements, and even has the router table extension which would save me space in the garage as well as offer larger cutting capacity to the right of the blade. Of the posts I have read on this saw from 2-3 years ago, the biggest complaint seemed to be on the dust collection only being 2 inches and maybe a slightly longer set up time when assembling the machine. As for the dust collection as of today, it seems Grizzly has addressed this as the new 1023’s have the 4” dust port.

The question I have is am I overlooking something when comparing this saw to the other brands in a 3HP configuration? because the price difference is sizable. Looking at the Rockler site (just because they have a local shop where I could go and talk to someone) the price difference is anywhere from $800 to $1500 more for the 3HP saws. Current prices as of today I can get the Grizzly saw, a mobile base, the shipping, and lift gate service to get it down off the truck for just over $1800. @Rockler, the Powermatic PM2000 comes in at $3700 and that doesn’t include shipping, or tax (btw buying direct from Grizzly I don’t have to pay tax). Now the PM saw does have the 50” extension table (the only option at Rockler, and which I don’t need nor have room for), and even the 1.75HP PM1000 without the ext table is $2200. The Jet 3HP comes in around $2600 and the Saw Stop is at $2900. The only difference I can see if thew PM table is 3 inches longer (27” vs 30”) but if you build an out-feed table then I don’t see where that will make a difference. Am I missing something? Is the quality of the more expensive brands that much better than Grizzly? Or is the price difference just because I’m buying direct from the manufacturer? Just reading what I can find online it seems the smart choice is to go with the Grizzly product then put the $800-$1500 savings toward a 8” jointer, which would probably be the next power tool purchase.

Thanks in advance for any input.


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Dustin

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#1 posted 01-05-2019 10:53 PM

Welcome to the world of woodworking and paying (at least partially) for a name! While it isn’t arguable that the PM2000 is likely to have a much better fit and finish than the Grizzly, and is just a “nicer” machine overall, that mustard paint job typically comes at a premium.

But the main reason for the disparity is that Grizzly is a massive importer of overseas made tools, and their business model is based upon moving a substantially large volume of tools. To sum it up, this is a little bit like a Toyota vs Lexus scenario. If you have the money and want the luxury, go for it, but if you’re on a budget, it’s hard to beat the bang for your buck you’ll get with Grizzly. I have both their 14” bandsaw and a 6” jointer, and am happy with both. Now a retired friend of mine with cash to burn bought the long bed Powermatic 6” jointer and paid about 2.5x what I did for mine. It’s certainly a nice machine, but mine does what I needed it to with no more effort to set up than is typical for any jointer.

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becikeja

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#2 posted 01-06-2019 12:14 AM

I am a Powermatic fan and have the PM1000 I am very happy with it. I have a few grizzly products as well and they do a good job. What I have noticed is the Grizzly products seem to be lacking some of the little extras that just make working with the tool a little more enjoyable.

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unclearthur

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#3 posted 01-06-2019 07:28 AM

One reason someone might pay the big premiums for a Powermatic or Sawstop, etc is to get some piece of mind that the machine will actually work properly and will be backed up by customer service. Buy a SS and you know what you’re getting. Buy a Grizzly and it might work or it might not, they might support it or they might not.

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WoodenDreams

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#4 posted 01-06-2019 09:05 AM

Is your garage or shop wired for 120v or also wired for 240v… I have the Grizzly G0771Z table saw for about 2 years now and happy with it. The G1023 is a better table saw then the one I have. With Grizzly your dollar will stretch to allow a budget for other tools. Have you put a tool wish list or shop plan on paper. What other equipment would you like to have & their costs. List them in your order of importance. All this should have a bearing on your plans.

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ChefHDAN

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#5 posted 01-06-2019 11:57 AM

Welcome to LJ’s, as a fellow hobbyist/therapy woodworker, I’ll be the first to throw out have you looked at Craig’s List? You’ve just got FLA on your profile and peeking in the Orlando area there are 20+ TS listed of which 5 look good for consideration ranging from $200 to $800. A TS is the center of the shop and is a great place to start, but there are many folks who start the hobby, buy new, and then realize they don’t wish to continue. I don’t go out looking for full restoration projects, but you can find good plug & play, (with cleaning & tuning) equipment for generally 40% to 50% below market pricing. Check your area and share the links with the forum and you may find a quality bargain and have extra cash for the jointer, planer, bandsaw, drill press, OMG maybe a domino…....

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