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12-28-2018 02:29 AM

I am taking my first shot at a bedroom set for my newborn son. Just finishing the bed, but I have a gap. I think I should add a piece of trim, but my wife thinks I should leave it. Thoughts or suggestions


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#1 posted 12-28-2018 02:33 AM

It is the gap between the styles and rails (top pic) that kills it for me. Otherwise, it looks good.

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#2 posted 12-28-2018 02:34 AM

Are you going to paint or stain it?

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#3 posted 12-28-2018 02:36 AM

I am going to stain it

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#4 posted 12-28-2018 02:48 AM

1st step on a good screw up is to step away from the project, power down the shop and get a beer. 2nd step is to come here to post a request for help, repeat step one while waiting for good ideas and working on your own idea. My wife always says, “you’re the only one that will ever notice that”, and I respond “Exactly, & that’s why I have to fix it”, especially if it’s something that will stay in my house.

From the pic, it looks that the top and bottom rails are M&T, and that the T&G or shiplap panel is in a dado into the post. Hoping the pic is a dry assembly photo, and that you can still adjust the joints, I would first carefully measure the length of the rails from shoulder to shoulder to ensure they are exactly the same. Second I would measure the length of the tenons and the depth of the mortises. Lastly check the tongue and groove for the panel. If you can find an error in any of these places it will be fairly simple to adjust the joinery. If you can get your rails nicely fit and you have a slight gap in the tongue of the panel, then leave it and slightly adjust each gap on your panel boards to diminish the size, some space there for expansion contraction would be a good thing. The absolute last thing I’d do is throw a trim “Band-Aid” on it, but if there is no other solution then it’s a solution.

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#5 posted 12-28-2018 02:56 AM

Thanks for the help, but I have already glued it together.

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#6 posted 12-28-2018 03:11 AM

Agreed, with taking a step back and rethink the process to include the measurements. At times closing down the shop helps.

I have built furniture using rails and styles then insert raised panels, frame and panel assembly. The parts for the inside put together as a dresser was built back in the day. I have always tried to use the least amount of fasteners.

Set up an assembly table with 2 cleats positioned at 90 degrees and use what clamps you have. Always worked for me.

Good luck with the project.

-- Eric, Upstate South Carolina

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#7 posted 12-28-2018 04:11 AM

.

-- There's no such thing as a careless electrician

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#8 posted 12-28-2018 04:26 AM

If it were me I would take advantage of the gap and cut the tenon off. Then clean up the post and the rail and cut a mortise in both the rail and the post and use a spline between them. You could also use dowels to connect them.

-- Michael Dilday, Suffolk, Va.

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#9 posted 12-28-2018 04:36 AM



If it were me I would take advantage of the gap and cut the tenon off. Then clean up the post and the rail and cut a mortise in both the rail and the post and use a spline between them. You could also use dowels to connect them.
- MikeDilday

Ah Grubby, that sucks. Depending on how long it’s cured you might be able to use a heat gun and whack the crap out of it with a dead blow, but if it’s over 24 hours, Mike might have the best solution to cut it apart and put it back together with loose tenons. It could also be the perfect excuse to “need” a Domino.. just saying, but, you could still cut mortises with a router and then mill some tenon stock to fit your mortises….

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#10 posted 12-28-2018 04:38 AM


If it were me I would take advantage of the gap and cut the tenon off. Then clean up the post and the rail and cut a mortise in both the rail and the post and use a spline between them. You could also use dowels to connect them.

- MikeDilday

+1. This is an excellent piece of advice.

-- There's no such thing as a careless electrician

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#11 posted 12-28-2018 05:00 AM


If it were me I would take advantage of the gap and cut the tenon off. Then clean up the post and the rail and cut a mortise in both the rail and the post and use a spline between them. You could also use dowels to connect them.
- MikeDilday

Ah Grubby, that sucks. Depending on how long it s cured you might be able to use a heat gun and whack the crap out of it with a dead blow, but if it s over 24 hours, Mike might have the best solution to cut it apart and put it back together with loose tenons. It could also be the perfect excuse to “need” a Domino.. just saying, but, you could still cut mortises with a router and then mill some tenon stock to fit your mortises….

- ChefHDAN

I was trying to find online what it was called and now I know. A loose tenon. Thanks ChefHDAN!!! Funny name for a tight glued joint. Would love to have a Domino.

-- Michael Dilday, Suffolk, Va.

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#12 posted 12-28-2018 12:29 PM

Mike, – Yep what a quandary $1k for a Domino, or $1k at the gun store…... Can’t decide what I’d rather have for Christmas more ….but, alas it will most likely all go to Visa…lol

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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