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12-13-2018 01:22 AM

I’m looking to put full overlay doors on face frame cabinets. The cabinet face frames are already there so can’t change that. The face frames basically have a 1.5” frame around any door opening. With a 1.5” overlay hinge, the frame would be fully covered. But is this allowed? Blum mentions a “minimum reveal”, but not sure what that means. Also I obviously can’t have either 2 doors exactly touching, or back to back doors touching can I? Seems like they wouldn’t be able to swing open. So what sort of gap do I put there? Having the full overlay does result in weird door sizes too like 25 & 7/8” wide.

I can upload a sketchup drawing if it would help :)


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#1 posted 12-13-2018 02:28 AM

What Blum hinge are you looking at?

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#2 posted 12-13-2018 02:32 AM

Any actually! I’m not really sure what overlay I need since I’m confused the the whole “minimum reveal”. I know I need face frame hinges. My face frame is 1.5” so do I need that overlay or something like 1 and 3/8?

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#3 posted 12-13-2018 02:37 AM

How big of a gap are you wanting between doors?

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#4 posted 12-13-2018 02:39 AM

Whatever the minimum is, within reason of comfort. I don’t think I could cut in 16ths prefectly so something in 8ths?

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#5 posted 12-13-2018 02:54 AM

There are a couple of hinges you could use. The compact 39C
The min. reveal says 7/32 which means this would need to be the minimum space between doors.
So as you were saying 1 3/8” overlay on each cabinet would give you 1/4” reveal (space between doors)

(You can cut 1/16” as easy as 1/8” It’s just where you mark your line or set your fence, you can do it.)

There is also a compact 33 that will let you get 3/16” in between doors. ( I don’t care for these)

Both of these style hinges will hold your door off the face frame approx. 3/16”

Edit: These are all Blum hinges. There are many other brands as well. Too many to mention

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#6 posted 12-13-2018 02:59 AM

So between any 2 doors (regardless if the hinges touch each other) it would be a 1/4” gap. And between any edge with no door it would be a 1/8” gap? Here is a sketchup:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppsu5ajlg0n6jqq/kitchen.skp?dl=0

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#7 posted 12-13-2018 03:00 AM

Also, if you wanted to open both doors at the same time you would need the 7/32×2 (7/16” between doors)

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#8 posted 12-13-2018 03:03 AM



So between any 2 doors (regardless if the hinges touch each other) it would be a 1/4” gap. And between any edge with no door it would be a 1/8” gap? Here is a sketchup:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppsu5ajlg0n6jqq/kitchen.skp?dl=0

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No, if you had a door against a wall you would still need the 7/32” space for the door to open

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#9 posted 12-13-2018 03:11 AM

Wouldn’t that basically be a 1-1/4” overlay since the overlay needs to be 1/4” everywhere?

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#10 posted 12-13-2018 03:17 AM

If you want to be able to open both doors at the same time, yes

If your not worried about both doors being able to open at the same time,
and wanted a smaller gap between doors, then no.

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#11 posted 12-13-2018 03:31 AM

Well all hinges that are back to back would have a 1/4” gap. The problem is something like a microwave which is very close to the face frame. That would only leave a 1/8” gap to that “wall”

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#12 posted 12-13-2018 03:39 AM

I think I just need a combo of 1-3/8” and 1-1/4” here and there.

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#13 posted 12-13-2018 03:51 AM


I think I just need a combo of 1-3/8” and 1-1/4” here and there.

- bgilb

Yeah, you need the 1/4” between the door and the microwave. You have to make some adjustments somewhere.
These adjustments depend on what you want to live with.

bigger gaps between all the doors?
Different overlays on the doors next to, and above the microwave?

Here is an example:

In this example you have 1 1/2” overlay on the micro door and 1 1/4 on the doors next to it.
(1/4” gap between doors)
Lots of different scenarios to make it what you want.

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#14 posted 12-13-2018 03:57 AM

Looks like I’ll have to decide! I think the most important factor is any stile gaps are all equal. In your example I have to give up the doors being symmetrical

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#15 posted 12-15-2018 04:25 PM

Any reason you said you don’t like compact 33s? There’s two doors I need a greater than 1 3/8 reveal so that leaves me with 33 or 38B for front frame mount. The problem with the 38B is the minimum reveal is 9/32. So I need greater than 1/4” between 2 doors. Whereas the 33s it’s 6/32”. Should I just combine 39c and 33s?

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