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MountainMan63

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12-10-2018 12:25 AM

Topic tags/keywords: poplar pre-stain wood conditioner polyurethane tung oil finish

I have made a dog leash hanger (could also be used as a coat hanger, too) for a friend of mine & I’m at the last couple steps to completion of it. I am wondering should I apply a pre-stain/wood conditioner to it prior to applying either Tung Oil or (I’ve not decided which I want to put on it yet) polyurethane on it? The project/hanger is made from a 2” Poplar dowel rod.

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt


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#1 posted 12-10-2018 12:44 AM

Testing on scrap wood should be done.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#2 posted 12-10-2018 01:23 AM

Agree with AlaskaGuy. Pre-stain is just a thinned down finish, and could be a number of different solutions. So you will want to test it out to see how you like it.

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Rich

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#3 posted 12-10-2018 05:32 AM

Why would you use pre-stain conditioner if you’re not planning to stain or dye it?

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#4 posted 12-10-2018 07:44 AM


Why would you use pre-stain conditioner if you re not planning to stain or dye it?

- Rich

He’ll find out when he dose the test on scrap. Experience is the best teacher.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#5 posted 12-10-2018 11:03 AM


Why would you use pre-stain conditioner if you re not planning to stain or dye it?

- Rich
He ll find out when he dose the test on scrap. Experience is the best teacher.

- AlaskaGuy

And in this case, it comes with less consequences than licking your finger and sticking it in a light socket.

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#6 posted 12-10-2018 01:24 PM

ive never used a pre stain conditioner before tung,linseed,or danish oil or before poly. never had a problem with blotching. poplar can blotch but i have only seen that with stain.

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OSU55

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#7 posted 12-10-2018 03:39 PM

Just depends on what final appearance you want. There is enough color in most of the fake tung oil products, poly, and danish oil to create faint blotching to the picky types. Poplar soaks up a lot of finish. Conditioning the wood wont hurt anything, but not really necessary unless you want little to no color variation. You may find these blogs helpful. Testing of finish schedules is part of finishing 101

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MountainMan63

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#8 posted 12-10-2018 04:09 PM

Thank you all for taking the time to respond/advise me on this as I’m new to woodworking, as if you couldn’t already tell by my questions! I appreciate ALL the intel that you share & your time in doing so!

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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Rich

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#9 posted 12-10-2018 04:11 PM



There is enough color in most of the fake tung oil products, poly, and danish oil to create faint blotching to the picky types.

- OSU55

Fake tung oil and natural Danish oil are wiping varnishes which, when diluted, is pre-stain conditioner.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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MountainMan63

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#10 posted 12-10-2018 04:12 PM

Just feeling the time pressure to get these gifts completed before Christmas for my family and friends! Hence my reason for asking the questions instead of trying things out first.

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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MountainMan63

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#11 posted 12-10-2018 04:24 PM

My money is tight & for that reason I don’t have time for a lot of mistakes or trial & error learning experiences. I am old enough to know that “experience is the best teacher” if one is smart enough to pay attention to the things that we do, especially when they go WRONG for us. Again, I appreciate ALL of your advice & wish ALL of you a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, if we don’t chat/talk/post again before then! :-)

-- “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway. You’ll be damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

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Rich

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#12 posted 12-10-2018 04:30 PM


Again, I appreciate ALL of your advice & wish ALL of you a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, if we don t chat/talk/post again before then! :-)

- MountainMan63

Since time and money are issues, my advice is to skip the conditioner, buy a can of Minwax Wipe On poly, apply 2 to 4 coats (whatever looks good to you) and call it a day.

Merry Christmas to you too.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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OSU55

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#13 posted 12-11-2018 01:20 PM


There is enough color in most of the fake tung oil products, poly, and danish oil to create faint blotching to the picky types.

- OSU55

Fake tung oil and natural Danish oil are wiping varnishes which, when diluted, is pre-stain conditioner.

- Rich

Which defeats the whole purpose of conditioning the wood which is why those products should not be used. A clear binder such as Elmers Glue All or a clear wb finish should be used.

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Rich

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#14 posted 12-11-2018 03:02 PM


Which defeats the whole purpose of conditioning the wood which is why those products should not be used. A clear binder such as Elmers Glue All or a clear wb finish should be used.

- OSU55

Your blog says varnish/thinner blend has the desirable properties of a conditioner.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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OSU55

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#15 posted 12-11-2018 05:34 PM

Yep it does and typically people are going to color the wood. I should update the blog for instances of limiting blotching for a situation such as this.

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