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SMP

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11-30-2018 03:44 PM

Hello all,

I need to get some hand saws, and have narrowed it down to these 2 brands due to price vs quality. Right now I only have a crappy hard point from HD, and a ryoba. I want to get a decent dovetail saw and tenon saw, tenon first since my next project will need tenons and lap/bridle joints etc. I will also need a carcass saw at some point.
So my main questions:

1. Are the LN saws better enough quality to warrant the price difference? And if so in what ways? Or is it more looks/prestige(which I also get from previously buying Snap ON tools as a mechanic) I don’t mind paying more if its better steel, needs less sharpening, etc. I could probably get one Veritas saw per paycheck vs having to save a bit to get 1 LN saw.

2. Veritas tenon saw in use? To me it looks strange, like a Dr from WW1 is coming to amputate my leg with that thing, but maybe it works well?

3. Tapered vs non-tapered? Is this purely personal preference? I heard non-tapered saws are more durable? maybe thicker steel? I kind of see the point of tapered but I don’t really have a lot of experience hand sawing.

Thanks in advance!
Steve


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Andre

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#1 posted 11-30-2018 04:40 PM

Not so much the Saw but the hand, arm, person in control, of the Saw, IMHO :)
I have the complete set of L.V. Saws and yes they cut real nice, also some old
Western Saws which do get used for some purposes!
For Dovetails, no LN but do have a Gramercy which is equal or perhaps even
superior? Depending on the type, size(thickness) and Wood I use
everything from Japanese, Western and actually quite often a Zona saw set to
cut on the pull stroke, what ever I feel like using or what works?
Lately been using a Crown Gents Saw with a shop made handle copied from the
Gramercy, works just fine.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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Aj2

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#2 posted 11-30-2018 04:43 PM

The Lie Neilson is a great saw it looks good it cuts accurately and it has good resale value.
You should pick the saw that will encourage you to do and try your best.
Remember it’s the Indian not the Arrow.

-- Aj

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SMP

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#3 posted 11-30-2018 05:14 PM



Lately been using a Crown Gents Saw with a shop made handle copied from the
Gramercy, works just fine.

- Andre

Yeah I think I have seen Paul Sellers use that same saw. But of course he resharpens and sets all the teeth to his liking and tunes it. (similar Amazon reviews of similar saws of people tuning them)As I am still learning to use these saws, I would prefer something out of the box to use. Maybe down the road I will learn to tune and sharpen etc. Thought that crown gents saw is one they actually have at my local hardware store for about $25.

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HokieKen

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#4 posted 11-30-2018 05:23 PM


Lately been using a Crown Gents Saw with a shop made handle copied from the
Gramercy, works just fine.

- Andre

Yeah I think I have seen Paul Sellers use that same saw. But of course he resharpens and sets all the teeth to his liking and tunes it. (similar Amazon reviews of similar saws of people tuning them)As I am still learning to use these saws, I would prefer something out of the box to use. Maybe down the road I will learn to tune and sharpen etc. Thought that crown gents saw is one they actually have at my local hardware store for about $25.

- SMP

Not really much “maybe” to that ;-) Unless you buy saws with induction hardened teeth and throw them away when they dull or you are going to pay to have your saws sharpened, you’re gonna have to sharpen yourself. They ain’t gonna stay sharp forever ;-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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Manitario

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#5 posted 11-30-2018 05:28 PM

They both are excellent saws and either one will outlast you. Saw taper (and most other saw design features) really just comes down to personal preference. I have a LN tenon saw and several LV saws, they are equal in performance.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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Andre

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#6 posted 11-30-2018 05:32 PM


Lately been using a Crown Gents Saw with a shop made handle copied from the
Gramercy, works just fine.

- Andre

Yeah I think I have seen Paul Sellers use that same saw. But of course he resharpens and sets all the teeth to his liking and tunes it. (similar Amazon reviews of similar saws of people tuning them)As I am still learning to use these saws, I would prefer something out of the box to use. Maybe down the road I will learn to tune and sharpen etc. Thought that crown gents saw is one they actually have at my local hardware store for about $25.

- SMP

The only thing I have done to the Crown blades is a light stoning to smooth out the cut, amazing difference in cut quality! I did make 2 different handle with different attack angles, makes a big difference in regards to bench height or if you are standing or sitting! For the price I can see myself practicing sharpening skills on these blades.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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SMP

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#7 posted 11-30-2018 05:36 PM


Not really much “maybe” to that ;-) Unless you buy saws with induction hardened teeth and throw them away when they dull or you are going to pay to have your saws sharpened, you re gonna have to sharpen yourself. They ain t gonna stay sharp forever ;-)

- HokieKen

Well, there is a local sharpener guy here that is pretty reasonable. He charged me $13 to clean up and sharpen/set an old Disston 28” rip saw that I got cheap at an antique store. So I can put off sharpening at least until I finish building my hand tool kit, and cheaper than the $25 the LN charges.

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HokieKen

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#8 posted 11-30-2018 05:43 PM

Yeah, if I had someone local that would sharpen saws that cheap, I’d probably take them mine too!

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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TheFridge

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#9 posted 11-30-2018 08:06 PM

I have the LN. Nice saw. I have tapered because it came with the .015 thin plate at the time. Don’t know if that’s changed. Can’t go wrong with any recommendations really.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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