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Forum topic by DannyBoy posted 04-11-2008 06:55 PM 1600 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-11-2008 06:55 PM

Topic tags/keywords: trees environment

One of the local organizations in my area, Heartland Tree Alliance, did this great promotion for Missouri’s Arbor Day on April 4th. The figured up the savings to the Kansas City Metro Area for certain trees and put price tags up on them.

One of the trees in my area was worth $70,000!!! Total, out of the 30% of trees that where cataloged during the ‘90s, they figured up that those trees contributed to $51 million in savings to the local governments. They based this off of things like storm water retention, air quality, and safety to name a few.


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#1 posted 04-11-2008 07:03 PM

That’s pretty interesting. There’s always a way to judge something’s value. Thanks for sharing.

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#2 posted 04-11-2008 07:06 PM

tough to prove but interesting

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#3 posted 04-12-2008 12:19 AM

There is no way to prove their claims so they just make up “facts” to “prove” their agenda.

100% pure BS.

BTW, I have a few billion in carbon credits for sale if anyone is in the market.

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#4 posted 04-12-2008 03:12 AM

WHAT ????

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#5 posted 04-12-2008 03:33 AM

Too bad when that tree dies it will go into the tub grinder/burn pile, I bet $100 right now, any takers?. “Green cities”, plant them today…burn them tomorrow, bah. Trees are a great benefit to erosion/clean air, planted right save energy bills (shade/wind block). This is not a one sided thing, planting trees is a good thing. Wasting the trees our grandfathers planted is a slap in the face to me, sorry. Urban logging is the answer, just not enough people are asking the question

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#6 posted 04-14-2008 03:42 PM

Wow… Uh… Not the response I was expecting…

So, I’m guessing then, by BroDave’s statement, that we could completely wipe out the urban forest and see no change in what a city (government and individuals) would spend in regards to control of storm water, energy use, aesthetics, improve air quality, or public safety.

I guess I’m just gullible enough to believe that trees somehow have the magic power to absorb water using their roots or absorb carbon emissions using leaves or provide shade or even, and this is the stupidest thing now that I think of it, look pretty.

Wow… What was I smoking that day…


P.S.: By the looks of the original post, I forgot to post the link: Heartland Tree Alliance.

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#7 posted 04-14-2008 03:56 PM

...and the quicker we burn up the world the quicker Jesus will come.

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#8 posted 04-14-2008 05:02 PM

That’s interesting. I would like to understand how they calculated the values. However, your point is a good one—trees are valuable and should be appreciated.

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#9 posted 04-14-2008 05:11 PM

Thanks, blackdog. I’m sure that there is some biological explanation of how they put everything together. I haven’t really done a lot to understand the total gist of the numbers. One would assume that they take known rates of consumption of air and water for a species of tree over a lifetime to figure the air and water stuff. Public safety is probably measured by a number of different variables including accident rates on roads where there is a median containing trees and roads without. The aesthetic appeal is probably more vague than what most people would want to dispute (air quality).

Oh, and I don’t know of one person that actually takes carbon credits seriously. To me this seems like a way for someone to do wrong then say sorry by throwing money at it. Not ethical at all.


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#10 posted 04-14-2008 07:12 PM

Trees take Carbon Dioxide in and exhale Oxygen… perfect match for us… Fresh air generator.

Trees shade the ground… ground water does not evaporate as quickly… goes into plants, etc.

Trees produce shade… much cooler to sit under a tree… no air conditioning required… Keeps sun out of eyes.

Trees do produce wind breaks slowing down winds and preventing damage to be done.

Trees produce habitats for birds, squirrells, which provide good things for us… like entertainment.

If all the trees that have been cut down just to be replaced by concrete or paved roads, were still here, our air would be a lot cleaner… of course, we would still be riding horses, too! :) :)

On the other side… if a car runs into a tree, it doesn’t have much of a chance of surviving… :) :)

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#11 posted 04-15-2008 01:30 AM

I see I didn’t make myself clear DannyBoy.

I have no doubt that trees a beneficial , in many ways.

I also have no doubt they can not prove their dollar figures.
Such claims are pure nonsense, just as “every cigarette you smoke takes one minute off your life.”
Most of their “Carbon Sequestration benefits” are based on estimates, guesses? wishful thinking? who knows, but the point is they can prove none of it saves X amount of dollars.
So why have the figures at all? Who benefits from those figures and how?

If they want to promote the real benefits of trees then I’m all for it. When they make false claims to get the point across then it casts doubts on every other “fact” they tout. They should stick to hard facts.
If the real benefits of trees are not enough to convince people then telling them a lie only makes them mad when they find out the truth really is not knowable.

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#12 posted 04-15-2008 01:50 AM

I still say they burn it…

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#13 posted 04-15-2008 01:57 AM

lol ok how did this turn into a political discussion. any who im still wodering what ever happin to the hole in the o-zone layer wasnt that sapposed to kill us all like 10 years ago

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#14 posted 04-15-2008 02:16 PM

Even if you take the “Carbon Sequestration Benefits” out of the equation, much of that money can still be substantiated. Consider the amount of money per gallon of storm water that the average city has to put up just to control where that water goes. Now, what percentage is a tree made up of water? How much water does the average great oak “drink” per day?

Further, how much does it cost to hire a company to rebuild a road that has be eroded away by run off?

Which costs more to cool: A house in the sun? – or- A house surrounded by trees?

Which has more curb appeal (and therefore a higher market value) of the above to homes?

This is very practical estimates and assumptions made to calculate these numbers. Also, every tree is different and one in the center of a park may do little in comparison to one sitting near a building. That doesn’t mean there isn’t some actual cash value to that trees life.

(Consider also that this wasn’t some hack going out and collecting data; we are talking about botanists and arborists who will forget more about trees than the average lumberjock or any other person will ever know.)

The point here isn’t even that you make some drastic change to a car that runs off an environmentalist’s ego. The point is to help people realize that planting a tree and maintaining it properly is a positive thing. No one is telling you to go out and do it right now, but if you have the time, why not?


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