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jamar1

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11-03-2018 05:34 PM

Hello everyone-
Probably a standard first post here about a tool. A local cabinet maker is retiring and selling his saw. As requested, he contacted me before listing it for sale.
It’s a 2015 PCS 3hp 52”T glide with one dado cartridge. He is asking $2500.00.
Comparing same in Saw stop site, I’ll save $900.00 including sale tax.
I guess I am wondering about the value of a warranty. For $900.00 more I can have one new and warrantied.
Only other concern is the 52”table. I wouldn’t buy that new. Too much table for my 24×17’ shop.
I’m only considering it because these saws do not hit the resale market often and I do t want to pass on a good deal.
I think at $2000.00 I would not hesitate, but he priced it pretty well to make it a tough decision.
Any thoughts would be appreciated-


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#1 posted 11-03-2018 05:51 PM

If you don’t want the 52” table, I’d compare versus the set-up you would buy new. If you went with the 36” T-glide, that’s about $3000 (w/ dado cartridge.) $170 less with the stock fence.

Now the savings are down to $500 or less.

Remember, the 52” table includes rails; if you want to shorten it for your shop you are either cutting the rails down, or having to sell the 52” and buy shorter ones.

Unless he’s throwing in some other extras, SawStop or after-market (dust collection, mobile base, outfeed table…, or even a bunch of decent blades, his good miter gauge) I think for that savings I’d buy new, get hat you want, and get the warranty.

Either way, it’s a great saw. I have the same one and love it.

-- John

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#2 posted 11-03-2018 06:02 PM

With the 52” rails, you’ll have some nice real estate to add a rolling cabinet underneath AND still probably have room for a router table in the extension. Serving multiple purposes may do well for you if you lay out your shop and use the extra length wisely. Just some food for thought.

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#3 posted 11-03-2018 06:03 PM

John-
Very good points. This kind of confirms my thinking also.

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#4 posted 11-03-2018 06:16 PM

For basically what he’s asking, you could get a brand new 3hp Unisaw w/36 inch Biesemeyer fence, or for a hair more, the 3hp Unisaw w/52 inch fence – which is more comparable to the ICS than the PCS (bigger table, couple hundred pounds heavier, no blade/dado restrictions, 5 year warranty instead of 2, etc…).

You aren’t getting much discount on that three year old used PCS, or any warranty support.

Cheers,
Brad

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#5 posted 11-03-2018 07:11 PM

I don’t think selling the 52”TG is an option in Louisiana. Unlikely to find a buyer.
I did not consider adding a router lift to the extension. Something to consider.
As for Unisaw, I ha e excluded all other saws. As badly as I want a PM2000 or an old school Unisaw, my wife has involved herself in the decision and so I’m getting a Saw stop

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#6 posted 11-03-2018 08:00 PM

I’ not one to worry too much about warranties, but that’s just me. The Sawstop CS will be just as good with a used saw as it will with a new one, so that’s not a problem. Even so, his price strikes me as high for a used saw. So far used SSs do bring a higher price, but maybe not that high.You might also have to buy a mobile base….which will probably be free with a PCS here in another month or so (holiday specials).

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#7 posted 11-03-2018 08:24 PM

I have a PCs 3 hp, as far as warranty I don’t thing you need it they are well built saws, of course he used it a lot being a cabinet builder, RJ

-- Life Begins @ 190 MPH

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#8 posted 11-03-2018 08:36 PM

I will need a mobile base. I’ve heard that SS runs a once a year sale in March and April

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#9 posted 11-03-2018 08:41 PM

I have owned that saw with the shorter table for 4 1/2 years. Never needed to call Sawstop, let alone use the two year warranty. However, I think the asking price is a bit high given the age and the fact that it was probably heavily used in a cabinet shop As noted above, the price difference compared to the 36” rail model is the comparison you need to make. Others have asked if the price includes a mobile base. If not, remember that Sawstop frequently has offers that include a mobile base (NOT the ICS base but a mobile base that will work just fine for most users (it has for me and the price was ZERO)). Does the price include the overhead dust collection? That is a very nice option but it adds some more to the cost if you decide to go with a new saw.

If it were me, I think I would go for the new saw in the length I need for my shop, rather than trying to deal with the longer table saw. A $500 premium over the used saw was mentioned above. I would try to get a Sawstop deal with a free mobile base (or free dust collection). Then which ever of the latter two accessories I was lacking would be at the top of my Christmas list that I would hand to my wife.

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#10 posted 11-03-2018 08:43 PM


I will need a mobile base. I’ve heard that SS runs a once a year sale in March and April

- jamar1

I mentioned that the lesser mobile base works fine for me. The ICS base is much nicer if you need to move the saw a lot. I do not need that. The lesser base has two fixed casters so it does require a bit more jockeying around to set the saw in place. If you will have to move the saw often you should seriously consider the ICS base.

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#11 posted 11-03-2018 09:00 PM

A couple of you mention you own a SS.
They make 2 dust collection options.
Which do you have and would you choose it again?
I am looking at the overhead with the 4” swing arm. It seems more versatile. Only thing is it seems cumbersome. ANyone have experience to share?

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Kazooman

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#12 posted 11-03-2018 09:34 PM



A couple of you mention you own a SS.
They make 2 dust collection options.
Which do you have and would you choose it again?
I am looking at the overhead with the 4” swing arm. It seems more versatile. Only thing is it seems cumbersome. ANyone have experience to share?

- jamar1

I have the PCS mobile base and the smaller overhead dust collection. The larger dust collector is not compatible with the PCS base, only the ICS base. I guess that is because it incorporates an additional outrigger leg to support the weight of the arm. My PCS mobile base lifts my 36” table and the smaller dust collector arm easily.

Between the 4” port in the base of my PCS saw and the overhead arm the dust collection is quite good, but not total (is it ever???). I always thought that the diameter of the exhaust pipe on the overhead arm should have been larger.

The smaller dust collector integrates with the blade guard. That unit incorporates a splitter and two sets of anti-kickback pawls. The larger collector is an overhead style and I assume (no personal experience) it only uses the built in riving knife. It also appears (no personal experience) to require a second dust collection system hookup. That could be integrated with the regular dust collection port at the base of the saw or it could be a dedicated line. I agree that the larger system looks really cumbersome. I never notice the arm of the smaller collector on my saw.

I like the blade guard that works with my collector. It has a couple of what I would call swiveling skirts that ride on the workpiece to help make the seal against escaping dust. It easily flips up to allow me to clearly see the blade for precise alignment of cuts. It is very easily swapped out for the riving knife. Takes 30 seconds max. One note on the regular dust collector. The body of the guard at the back (the business end where the guard swivels the hose connects and the housing for the anti-kickback pawls all meet) CAN block the passage of the work piece through the cut. That is the purpose of the black plastic triangular thing on the end of two black rods. If the piece fits under that it will not be impeded. I occasionally need to remove this device (simply squeeze the rods together and lift) if I am making a very narrow cut. The rods and triangle can interfere with using a push stick. Not a show stopper by any means.

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clin

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#13 posted 11-03-2018 09:47 PM

Would I buy it? No.

I do have a 3 HP SS PCS and it’s a great saw. But, if the difference between what it will cost and what you want new (not what it would be new) is really just $500, I’d go new.

While you save $500, what you give up is knowing much if anything about how the saw has been used and possibly abused. It’s an unknown.

Also, depending on the situation, you may have a lot more trouble getting it home and setup. For example, I would assume the price is for you to come pick it up. Either you will need 2-3 others to help you load and unload it, assuming you have a truck or trailer. Or, you’ll have to break it down, load up the parts, and then put it back together.

With a new saw, at least it’s already broken down, maybe it would be getting delivered for free (or not depending on where and how you bought a new one).

Also, you don’t want a saw that big, so you have to put in the effort to cut the table down, or go through the hassle of trying to sell the longs rails, and then paying full price for the short ones.

Also, it may be in need of maintenance immediately. Such as a thorough cleaning and greasing.

I’m not saying any of this is extremely difficult, but it’s cutting into the value of the $500 you are saving. $500 is a really big deal to some people, and even doing a lot of their own work to save that, is something they prefer to do. For others, they have other ways they want to spend their time and perhaps $500 is easier for them to earn, so they choose to spend more. No right or wrong answer on that.

I wouldn’t be worried about a warranty, or lack of it. Warranties are generally meant to cover manufacturing defects that show up early in the life of a product. In this case, it’s been used and the bugs have been shook out, so to speak.

Of course it has wear, maybe a lot if used in a professional shop. it could easily have more “miles” on it in those three years than you would put on it in a life time assuming you are a hobbyist.

For me, I’d happily spend $500 more to get a new one and avoid the known hassles and any unknown problems.

By the way, the ICS mobile base is much more maneuverable than than PCS mobile base. Much more expensive, but if you expect to move the saw around in relatively tight spaces it so much easier. As already mentioned, the ICS base has 4 swiveling casters vs 2 fixed and 2 swiveling for the PCS base. You can spin the ICS base in place or just nudge it a few inches in any direction as needed, versus all sorts of back and forth turns with the PCS base.

I have the overarm dust collection. The guard itself is fixed to the table, so you have to remove the guard when you don’t want it. That is really quick to do. As for the hose and arm itself, it swings out of the way easily and I’ve never found had an issue with it being in the way.

I also built a folding out feed table. Note: The fixed part of the table serves two purposes. First it extend things past the DC connections. But mainly I did this so the outfeed is long enough that I can cut 8 foot long pieces and they won’t fall off the back. I.E., gives me a bit more than 4 feet from the back of the blade to the edge of the out feed. Hole is so I can access the DC port when the table is down.

-- Clin

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Kazooman

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#14 posted 11-03-2018 10:05 PM

Yep, one huge issue that Clin brought up is getting the saw to your shop. That would require tearing down, transporting, and resembling the used saw. “Cost” to you in time and effort? A new one would be delivered nicely packaged with every nut, bolt, and washer shrink-wrapped onto a cardboard sheet that instructs you through the assembly process. Sawstop is amazing in this regard.

BTW, Clin. That is one beautiful out feed table. Is the hole for a router?

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#15 posted 11-03-2018 10:07 PM

Why not offer what you’re comfortable with for the used saw, and what you think is fair? If he says no, it makes the decision to go with a new one much easier.

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