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Andrew714

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10-08-2018 05:53 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cabinetry 32mm system

I am considering switching from my normal day job to cabinetry, and I have a couple questions for other professional cabinetry makers, especially those that build cabinets using the 32mm system.

My plan (at least to start with) is to make cabinets with the 32mm system, using a number of Festool tools, most notably their LR-32 rail system. The standard cabinet height though (I believe that’s 34-1/2”), doesn’t work out to an even increment of 32mm, and I think the best 32mm increment puts it 12mm lower than 34-1/2”. Does anyone know if this causes any major issues? Since it would be lower, I think it’s safe to say that it wouldn’t interfere with locations for outlets and switches, which would be installed based on cabinetry standards, rather than the designs from the cabinet maker.

Second question- My preference would be to have the toe kick integrated as part of the cabinet box, rather than adding risers after the box is built. Based on the 32mm system, this would make the toe kick 96mm tall, and I figure an even 75mm deep is probably fine. Any thoughts on this? I’m not sure how it’s normally done, or if there are any drawbacks to making the toe kick any shorter than 4”.

There may be other considerations that I’m not aware of yet as well, so I appreciate any input you can give, even if it’s not on a topic I have mentioned yet.

Thanks,

Andrew


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#1 posted 10-08-2018 05:59 PM

Your customers won’t care what equipment you will be using. If they want cabinets at some arbitrary height and width, you better be prepared to build them that way, regardless of your preferences.

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#2 posted 10-08-2018 06:03 PM



Your customers won t care what equipment you will be using. If they want cabinets at some arbitrary height and width, you better be prepared to build them that way, regardless of your preferences.

- ArtMann


I definitely get that part of it, which is why I want to get an idea for what is normally done. For example, if the 32mm system could be useful for a specific scope of cabinetry, but can be limiting overall, maybe I just abandon that.

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#3 posted 10-08-2018 06:48 PM

Get a hold of a reference book, where you can get the standards for cabinetry. A lot of this stuff has been worked out, no sense re-inventing the wheel. Here is one I recommend, The Complete Kitchen Cabinetmaker, by Robert Lang. In he covers both face frame and frame less cabinets. You can get it here.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#4 posted 10-08-2018 07:03 PM

Appliances need to be considered as well. Good luck on your future endeavors.

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#5 posted 10-08-2018 07:05 PM



Get a hold of a reference book, where you can get the standards for cabinetry. A lot of this stuff has been worked out, no sense re-inventing the wheel. Here is one I recommend, The Complete Kitchen Cabinetmaker, by Robert Lang. In he covers both face frame and frame less cabinets. You can get it here.

- bondogaposis

I actually already have that book, thanks for the tip. It’s a good book, and has been pretty helpful.

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#6 posted 10-08-2018 07:09 PM



Appliances need to be considered as well. Good luck on your future endeavors.

- waho6o9

Thanks, that’s a very good point. Having the cabinets 12mm lower could be a critical mistake when it comes time to install a dishwasher. I think that settles it- I just need to build cabinets to the standards we have in the US. I’d hate to build a kitchen full of cabinets, only to find a major problem at the time of installation.

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#7 posted 10-08-2018 07:19 PM

You’re welcome.

Story sticks are helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fiIDapLOU&t=25s

Bob Rozaieski Fine Woodworking
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http://lumberjocks.com/topics/255481

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#8 posted 10-08-2018 08:10 PM

one other thought – lower cabinets should be pretty standard (although when we built our house, they gave us the option to do standard or “comfort height” lowers in the bathrooms – about 2” taller), but uppers are going to vary based on ceiling heights. I don’t think there’s any such thing as a standard height anymore..

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#9 posted 10-08-2018 08:51 PM

Wall cabinet height 960 mm
Base cabinet height 768 mm
You need to ensure that the mm are exactly divisible by 32 or you will have problems using the LR32.
Easier if you make the toe kick separate.

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#10 posted 10-08-2018 08:58 PM



Wall cabinet height 960 mm
Base cabinet height 768 mm
You need to ensure that the mm are exactly divisible by 32 or you will have problems using the LR32.
Easier if you make the toe kick separate.

- Pompeio

What is normally done for a separate toe kick? Is that normally the add-on legs, whether they are hidden or visible, or do people sometimes make some sort of riser out of plywood, inexpensive lumber, etc?

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#11 posted 10-08-2018 09:26 PM

Consider 3/4” plywood 4” wide and rip to the desired length <——width=”true”> plywood and then just cover the face with plywood.

Then crosscut the

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#12 posted 10-08-2018 11:11 PM


Easier if you make the toe kick separate.

- Pompeio

What is normally done for a separate toe kick? Is that normally the add-on legs, whether they are hidden or visible, or do people sometimes make some sort of riser out of plywood, inexpensive lumber, etc?

- Andrew714

A separate toe kick will make a big difference if you’re using 60×60 baltic birch since you can get four 30” tall side panels out of a sheet and still have a 34” tall cabinet before the top. An integral toe kick will make panels too tall for that.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#13 posted 10-08-2018 11:23 PM

Joel Ketner has a 32mm system that may be helpful.

http://www.cabsystems.com/KISSII/KIIrivDe-mail.pdf

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#14 posted 10-09-2018 12:02 AM

Actually, the wheel has been reinvented many times. That’s why you can get tubeless tires that last 60k or more on mag wheels. If not so, we’d still be using sawed off log ends for wheels.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#15 posted 10-09-2018 06:31 PM

Actually, the wheel has been reinvented many times.

So true, but unless he uses standard cabinet dimensions to accommodate appliances he is going to have to reinvent the dishwasher.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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