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Forum topic by edapp posted 09-26-2018 12:02 PM 1292 views 0 times favorited 27 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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edapp

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09-26-2018 12:02 PM

I am working with a lot of QSWO lately and my old dewalt 733? planer isnt cutting it anymore (without significant tearout). After replacing the blades I get good results for a project or two but not nearly long enough.

So here I am looking at planers with helical cutterheads… and am caught between a few options that I would like yalls opinions on.

Dewalt 735+byrd shelix head for ~$1000 (really the only drawback that I am aware of with this is the noise
OR
Grizzly 15” G1021X2 for ~2K, which I believe comes with a byrd shelix brand head installed, but have not confirmed that with grizzly.

My instinct says go with the larger, heavier, more substantial machine because I have never regretted that yet. However for double the price, and only 2” more capacity, I am not sure. My machine will be connected to my DC so I do not need the dust blower feature of the Dewalt, and wish it were quieter.

However I have found very very little information on the grizzly g1021×2. Most review of this machine are from 5+ years back, and it appears they discontinued it for awhile between then and now. One of the reasons I am looking at this one over the other 15” models is the upgraded cutterhead (compared to the grizzly branded cutterhead with a straight cut vs angled cut) and the lack of a tariff fee.

I have a 10% grizzly coupon that expires on the 30th, but I know there will always be another if I need to wait. Any experiences with either of these options? Anyone know the background on the grizzly g1021×2 model?


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mpsprunger

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#1 posted 09-26-2018 01:09 PM

The 735 Dewalt is a fine machine, the shelix cutter lowers the noise level. The internal blower is a plus, I have a ten foot flex hose and blow the dust into the yard. One drawback for the cutter head w/ all of the cutting segments cutting is a reduced amount of power, consequently cutting less material w/ a pass. The finish is impressive an no sanding. I wish the motor had alittle more HP

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edapp

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#2 posted 09-26-2018 01:34 PM

I have a byrd head in my 8” jointer and am absolutely sold on the helix cutterheads. Would not buy a planer without one considering that is my main reason for the upgrade. Looking for input on the grizzly machine if anyone has any experience with it or the other 15” models.

Worth twice the price for the heavier duty models? anyone going to talk me into going up to a 20”?

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Blindhog

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#3 posted 09-26-2018 01:52 PM

I have the 735 that I upgraded with a shelix head. World of difference! The noise is pretty much the same no load running but is apx. 10 db quieter when running; either way still requires ear protection. Cutting is much smoother and planing cross grain/burl wood is way better. I feel it is a very good value. Larger machine is really a matter of capacity/needs.
Good luck with your decision and have some fun.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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DrDirt

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#4 posted 09-26-2018 01:54 PM

I upgraded 4 years ago from a straight knife DW635… to the Powermatic 15HH that I bought off the floor at the Woodworking Show in Kansas City.

The Helix cutter is awesome – one thing I have to plan ahead for a bit with this machine, is it does NOT take the final light pass cleanly. The Feed Roller is steel, and will leave lines/grip marks on the surface if you try to only take a 64th
So I have to make sure the final light pass is heavier than the serrated grip marks. So when you want to just get rid of some bit of tearout, and want to take just a “hair” more off…. get out your sander.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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JayT

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#5 posted 09-26-2018 02:06 PM

OK, I’ll be the one to ask the stupid question.

Why not upgrade your current DW733 with a Shelix head instead of buying a new planer? They are available and would save you quite a bit if you are just wanting the performance of a helical head. If you are wanting/needing increased capacity, then that’s a different story.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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edapp

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#6 posted 09-26-2018 02:22 PM

JayT
I am not interested in putting more money into my 733. It has served me well, but has a few issues and needs more work than a cutterhead. Lately it is getting out of alignment (left to right / height). Rather than addressing those and dropping another $400 into it I would rather upgrade capacity or at least reliability (four post height adjustment vs the luchbox style). I see the Dewalt 735 as a hybrid, and while it is quite a bit less expensive i cant get real excited about it.

Every time I have gone upscale on a tool purchase I have been extremely glad I did, so thinking if I go with the dewalt now I will likely upgrade again down the road which I would rather not do. On the grizzly, I like what I see, but can find so little information that it makes me hesitate.

DrDirt
That is good info. Looking at grizzly the 1021×2 has a “minutely straight serrated” outfeed roller, and the g0453z has a rubber outfeed roller. I think I will call grizzly and try and get a list of difference between these models.

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johnstoneb

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#7 posted 09-26-2018 02:49 PM

I have a 735 upgraded with a helix head. It is basically the same as a 733 except the case and the blower. If the 733 is too light for what you are doing with it the 735 will be the same. Go with the bigger more powerful machine.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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JayT

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#8 posted 09-26-2018 02:56 PM

Makes sense. If you have the space and power available, then, to me it would make sense to look at increased capacity as well as performance.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Ocelot

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#9 posted 09-26-2018 09:14 PM

G1021×2 ($2164 delivered) is backordered.

How is it different from the G0453z ($2370 deliverd)?

It is also backordered, but right now has free shipping – so is about $200 more delivered.

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edapp

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#10 posted 09-26-2018 10:08 PM

The major difference, or at least the biggest difference to me, is that the g1021×2 uses an angled cutter head (30 degrees) like the Byrd cutterhead. The g0453 carbide inserts are parallel to the head. There are more on the 0453.

1021×2 does not have a mobile base

1021×2 seems to have a slightly smaller motor, and slightly lower capacity in regards to material thickness.

G1021×2 made in Taiwan
G0453 made in China (tariff)

So based solely on cut quality I figure the 1021×2 is the better buy, and being a little less expensive, not paying the tariff, but having to supply your own mobile base. Ordered mine this afternoon for a little under $2k after the 10% coupon….

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Willscary

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#11 posted 09-27-2018 01:53 AM

I just purchased the 735x (735 with both tables and an extra set of knives) for $499 and the Shelix head for $358. Add to that the Wixey digital gauge for a $43 special and my total Amazon bill was exactly $900. Being a Prime member gave me a 5% discount so my total out of pocket cost was $865 delivered for all 3. the Shelix head was a 90 minute install (I took my time…teardown was about 75 minutes and it only took 15 minutes to put it back together).

Very quiet and works very well. For DC, I hooked up a 4” hose to a super dust deputy to catch all of the chips and then an outgoing hose to the outside, where only extremely fine dust is sent. the blower really blows!

On that note…does anyone here wish to get two brand new sets of blades for the 735 for cheap? Never used! Also, if anyone needs a brand new cutterhead with bearings and blade holders, I have that saved also.

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PJKS

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#12 posted 09-27-2018 02:04 AM

Upgraded my Grizzly GO490 w/ Byrd Cutterhead… I would not buy a planer without one !!!

-- Pat / Colorado

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Aj2

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#13 posted 09-27-2018 02:19 AM

I wouldn’t put a shelix in lunch box planer. The insert head really needs more power then that machine was designed for. I have the Powermatic with Bryd Head i think it’s a 3hp. It very limited how much wood the inserts can chew thru. It says 1/8 max cut.Thats a stretch

-- Aj

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Rich

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#14 posted 09-27-2018 03:36 AM


I wouldn’t put a shelix in lunch box planer. The insert head really needs more power then that machine was designed for. I have the Powermatic with Bryd Head i think it’s a 3hp. It very limited how much wood the inserts can chew thru. It says 1/8 max cut.Thats a stretch

- Aj2

My shelix head in a DW735 works like a champ.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Aj2

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#15 posted 09-27-2018 03:48 AM

I believe you Rich and I think you mentioned that you work with Mesquite. I can testify is a very hard brutal wood. I still stand by my post.
I also had a 735 and when i got tired of buying knifes I put carbide tipped knives in. It made the planer the champion of champs. ::)

-- Aj

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