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08-27-2018 12:10 PM

Hi guys! Found this site from pinterest a few months ago and decided to sign up. I’ve been doing at home woodwork for the passed year in my spare time. Building bed frames, plaques, a giant bar in my garage etc… I have a pretty subpar table saw. It’s a cheap ryobi (120$? Range) that I hastily bought last year and frown upon. I’m moving up in woodworking now and would like to tackle my own cabinets in my kitchen when I purchase a new house next summer. I’ve been reading quite a bit and learned that the Bosch 4100 series table saw is virtually flawless. My question is how does it compare to the rigid R4512 and the R4513? Both of these rigid saws have phoenomenal reviews. I am just looking for an opinion on which of these 3 YOU as professional woodworkers would buy for your at home shop. Thank you, and sorry for the rambling.


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#1 posted 08-27-2018 01:32 PM

If you’re planning on projects like kitchen cabinets, the 4512 is the only saw on your list to consider. The others are fine in their own right but are designed to be job site saws because of their portability. Kitchen cabinet construction will require precision cuts on 3/4” plywood sheets that weigh in excess of 70 lbs. You want a stable saw to handle that.

It may help to look for a used cabinet saw in your area. The $600+ that you’ll spend on a 4512 just might get you a much more substantial tool that would handle anything you could throw at it. It won’t be brand spanking new and it may take some time and effort to fill the bill but the “professional woodworkers” whose opinions you seek probably wouldn’t settle for anything less than a cabinet saw. Consider it an investment in your newfound hobby.

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#2 posted 08-27-2018 03:57 PM

I don’t consider myself a professional, but I am a serious ww’er that owns some serious machines and I’ve been doing this a while ;-). I’ve generally found without exception, that when it comes to tools and machines, the best approach is to buy the best you can afford.

My advice is simple: if you’re serious about ww’ing , buy a serious machine. Therefore, I wouldn’t recommend any of the type saws you find in the big box stores. But that’s me. I prefer to use industrial quality machines. For example, I started out the typical guy with a Crapsman tablesaw that was underpowered and had a horrible fence, and worse, got me hurt a couple times.

The next tablesaw I owned (and still own) was a Jet 3Hp saw that 15 years down the road I have not touched. After running i don’t know how many 1,000’s of BF of lumber though it, I recently double checked the alignments – dead on, and been that way since the day I bought it. That’s the difference you will see in an industrial quality machine – reliability and durability.

That said, plunking down $3K for a tablesaw is not in everyone’s budget. Understandable, but there are options.

So if you can afford $1,000 I would take take a look at the Grizzly hybrid saw. IMO this is an excellent entry level saw and a good buy.

Other option is to start looking for a used cabinet saw. You can usually get into a 3HP saw like a Unisaw for $1K or so.

Bottom line: no matter what the reviews say, you’re going to get what you get.

General rule of thumb: if the machine doesn’t have an induction motor, do not buy it.

This is all my opinion, there’s tons of guys out there using lunchbox planers, etc and get perfectly good service, but if they start running rough stock through it, they find the limitations quickly.

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#3 posted 08-27-2018 09:20 PM

The Bosch is as a good one as portable table saws go, but that whole class of saw gives up a lot of benefits for the sake of portability…so “virtually flawless” does not apply in my view.

A full size belt drive saw with an induction motor has a much larger operating surface, especially in front of the blade, which gives an ample landing zone to stabilize the work piece before it makes contact with the blade….it’s not only safer, but lends itself to better accuracy as well. An induction motor also has more torque than the universal motors found on portables, less vibration, plus are substantially quieter. A full size cast iron saw also has considerably more mass, which aids stability. Then there’s the aspect of standard miter slots and the ability to add accessories, plus the ability to easily upgrade wings, motors, fences, switches, etc., so you can modify and expand the setup to suit your future needs. Also, the portables aren’t very feasible to fix in the event of a failure. In the end, by far the biggest advantage of a portable saw is portability…..if you don’t need portability for lugging the saw from location to location, there’s really no reason to go the portable saw route IMO.

While the R4512 is not my favorite saw, it does offer more saw for the money than a portable IMO. The most saw for your money is often a good used saw, depending on your local market. If you’d post your general location, someone here might know of a good used saw in your area.

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#4 posted 08-27-2018 11:47 PM

I really appreciate the responses guys. Spending 1k dollars on a table saw is not out of my budget. I can think of a million things I’d use it for. Although 3k + is a little out of my reach lol. I will start browsing around craigslist, Facebook marketplace etc. and see what I come across. I was looking at the grizzlys yesterday after doing some quick research on this site and they seem pretty damn good.

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#5 posted 08-28-2018 12:33 AM

I have a bosch gts 1031 DO NOT purchase this saw. the design is for rough cut work. way to much play in the blade arbor for anything more than rough ripping. bosch says 1/32 is normal. mine has about 1/16 in the blade when you move the blade side to side, the arbor bracket isn’t a true arbor bracket,, theres a small stamped plate that holds the arbor bearing into the front of the motor, it.s really a short stub shaft with a bearing not a true arbor shaft. the design is really poor with no real support for a clean cut. I purchased this bosch saw 2 years ago. since then i got a craftsman 113 that was so much better than the bosch,,, 6 months ago I i picked up a 92 unisaw at a garage sale for 400 dollars. new belts and arbor bearings and it’s great. google bosch saw issues. I wish i had before i spent almost 500 dollars on that bosch crap saw. sold the craftsman 113 to my brother in law after I used it for a year. I put a delta t-2 fence on it and it was pretty much a great saw after the fence upgrade.

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#6 posted 08-28-2018 10:26 AM

Doing more reviews on the hybrid saw is kind of scaring me. YouTube reviews show some pretty impressive tenion issues when the blade rises/lowers.

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#7 posted 08-28-2018 05:51 PM


I’m moving up in woodworking now and would like to tackle my own cabinets in my kitchen when I purchase a new house next summer.
- Scottbjr

Out of curiosity, if you haven’t bought the house yet, how do you know it will need cabinets? ;)

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#8 posted 08-28-2018 06:23 PM


I don t consider myself a professional, but I am a serious ww er that owns some serious machines and I ve been doing this a while ;-). I ve generally found without exception, that when it comes to tools and machines, the best approach is to buy the best you can afford.

- rwe2156

Absolutely solid recommendation here. I would also add and whatever your shop space will allow to use, and store.

So, if you have only a small space I would buy the Bosch 4100 as it is a great “portable, jobsite” saw. Meaning it was designed for working guys/girls to take a TS to the jobsite without having to lug around a full on TS.

Now if you have ample shop space, and $$$$ isn’t an issue, and you can afford to spend enough money I would suggest a Grizzly Cabinet saw (must remind these require 220 electric) If you don’t have 220 then a Hybrid running a 110 motor will work, but if you can get 220, well you already are making your first TS jump, what we are saying is if you know you like doing this, and can see that it is a way to get furniture, do home repairs etc etc it’s an investment in your home. Your life, and especially your hobby. Sooner or later you will be heading there anyhow.

I didn’t read thoroughly and missed that Knotscott had popped in his TS link. READ THAT, he has some really smart info there.

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