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Forum topic by MrRon posted 08-25-2018 08:19 PM 1757 views 0 times favorited 76 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MrRon

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08-25-2018 08:19 PM

We are woodworkers and woodworkers not only build things from wood, we also make tools and fixtures tailored to suit the work we do. While it is patriotic to support businesses that feed the woodworking pastime, many prefer to “DIY”; that is, to make it rather than buy it. Not only can you save a lot of money, you improve your woodworking skills in doing so. Way back in time, there were no companies catering to the woodworking trade. They had to make everything. They made planes, chisels and every other tool that was not available at the time. Could it be that we are losing the ability to create and instead look towards others to do the hard work for us?

Personally, I make whatever I can. Why? Because it gives me much satisfaction when a retailer tells me “I need this tool”. I do like to save money wherever I can. There are things I know I can’t make, but things like fixtures and jigs, present a challenge. I understand not everyone shares my thoughts, but we are woodworkers, or claim to be and as woodworkers, we build things. I am also a metalworker, so there is a lot more things I can do in pursuit of my hobby.

A common question often asked by others is: “Why make it when you can buy it ?”. The answer is simple; “Because I can”. I would like to see a more “can do” attitude which I do see among our LJ’s and on other forums. It is the pioneering spirit that I like to see happening. I may come across as harsh when I see something made from a kit or plans and my reaction is: A kit ? anyone can do that. It’s the true craftsman that can make it from scratch.The kit or plan can make it easy to do, and that is fine for a beginner, but there comes a time when we have to strike out on our own and do our own creating.

Being retired and in my twilight years, I tend to see more negatives that others tend to ignore. I try to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative as the old song goes. Today’s millennium won’t know what I’m referring to, but those over 60 will.

People today are interested in success and that success usually means having power, money, possessions, etc. To me success means raising a family well and doing the things that make us happy.

Before making a comment to this, please read it through and not to take it out of context as is done by the media. This may not seem to be the right place for this dialogue, but censorship present on medias like Facebook, prevent me from doing so. I do have very strong political views, but that I will keep to myself as I should. A vote is a personal thing between me and the one running and to no one else. End of rant; have a nice day !


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ralbuck

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#1 posted 08-25-2018 08:34 PM

Mr. Ron!

I tend to agree; our whole culture is becoming video only oriented. We are losing the idea that—MAYBE I can do it better; why not try!
One of the smartest men I ever knew had an 8th grade diploma and no more. He could fix nearly anything. He had master—electrician, plumbers, and a general contractor’s licenses and even a pilots license too Now he would not even be considered for things he excelled at.

Many companies and society as a whole are so tied to the paperwork aspects—diploma and certificates- that they do not even look for the actual results! I knew a college department head; that I do NOT believe could even have replaced a light bulb! But had a bunch of papers (DIPLOMAS) on his office walls!

I agree with you on making and modification of almost anything that I use frequently. You have seen some of my projects; as far as I am concerned—the plans/patterns area good place to start FROM! Not a thing to blindly follow!

O.K. now my rant is over too.

-- Wood rescue is good for the environment and me! just rjR

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#2 posted 08-26-2018 01:27 AM

John McCain died a little while ago.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Desert_Woodworker

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#3 posted 08-26-2018 03:21 AM


John McCain died a little while ago.

- Woodknack

Was he a fellow LumberJock or woodworker somebody?

-- Desert_Woodworker

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JADobson

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#4 posted 08-26-2018 04:06 AM

Oh man, old men complaining about the kids these days. Yawn.

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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bandit571

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#5 posted 08-26-2018 04:34 AM

Do you ever just look at a stack of boards…...and figure out what you can build with them, just from looking at each board? Or, come up with a “plan” in your head? And sometimes not even need a pre-made plan, drawn up by others? Or…just go to the shop, to “putter around”....and wind up building a project?

Some need a computer program to draw up a plan…..others do it all in their head….which are you?

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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000

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#6 posted 08-26-2018 05:28 AM



Do you ever just look at a stack of boards…...and figure out what you can build with them, just from looking at each board? Or, come up with a “plan” in your head? And sometimes not even need a pre-made plan, drawn up by others? Or…just go to the shop, to “putter around”....and wind up building a project?

Some need a computer program to draw up a plan…..others do it all in their head….which are you?

- bandit571

I’ve never built anything with a pre-made plan
I’ve built many things just grabbing the lumber and starting with an idea in my head.
You know, out of the 40 years I’ve been doing woodworking, Sketchup wasn’t always around. lol

There is a big difference between building a step stool or building a wall unit or a kitchen.

Using a computer to draw a job is no different than building it out of your head or off of a napkin drawing.
The computer is just a way of organizing your thoughts and maximizing your productivity and minimizing mistakes.

The computer doesn’t design your product or tell you how to make a joint, you have to do that in your head, then transfer it to the drawing.

But to answer your question, one doesn’t have to be one way or the other. For myself, I can do both.
I just find it much smarter to draw things on the computer first.

You seem to have this pre conceived notion that being able to do it in your head is a step up over people that use a computer to draw their project.

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#7 posted 08-26-2018 05:35 AM

I have no “pre-conceived ” notion about anyone’s work style….I have my ways, others have theirs..simple as that.. not even saying which is better…

About the only time I ever needed plans, was when I worked construction…..building foundations for factories and schools. Whole different world than being in a simple woodshop.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#8 posted 08-26-2018 05:40 AM


You seem to have this pre conceived notion that being able to do it in your head is a step up over people that use a computer to draw their project.

- jbay

I picked up on that too. All the model does is show you where the problems lie before you waste any lumber finding out.

It reminds me of the notion that a great cook just wings it in the kitchen with a little of this and a little of that. Doing it that way means sometimes you’ll be tossing your dish in the trash and starting over. Same goes for woodworking.

No, a real cook works from carefully scaled recipes and he really doesn’t even need to taste his dish to know it’s right. Again, same in the shop. Once it’s right in the model, it’s just a matter of following it.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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BurlyBob

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#9 posted 08-26-2018 05:46 AM

This is going to be a very interesting topic in the coming days! One I’m going to follow. A lot of what you say MrRon rings true. From where I see things with younger folks of today is if isn’t on a electronic pad, they got to concept. They’d be lost if they had to do for themselves.

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bandit571

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#10 posted 08-26-2018 05:47 AM

And just who is “judging” who?

Somebody had to make that “model” up…either the “real” cook, or someone else…..

So far in this thread…the only “creation” seems to be picking a fight…..

Some seem to excel at such things? And have a proven track record of getting threads closed?

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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Rich

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#11 posted 08-26-2018 05:56 AM


Some seem to excel at such things? And have a proven track record of getting threads closed?

- bandit571

I only know one LJ who has a track record of getting threads closed, and he hasn’t shown up yet.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Woodknack

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#12 posted 08-26-2018 06:10 AM

So Chris Schwarz quit Popular Woodworking.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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bandit571

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#13 posted 08-26-2018 01:05 PM

But, still writes articles for them…...

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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Mr_Pink

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#14 posted 08-26-2018 01:42 PM



But, still writes articles for them…...

He just quit that too.

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Woodknack

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#15 posted 08-26-2018 04:03 PM



But, still writes articles for them…...

- bandit571


I too thought he already quit and was freelancing but was still under contract, which he let expire. He didn’t exactly burn his bridge but squatted and left a pretty big turd as he crossed so probably no freelance work with PWW in the near future.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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