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AZICURN

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08-23-2018 12:14 PM

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Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on a table saw upgrade. I have been using a cheap Ryobi table saw for most of my projects for quite some time, and I’m ready to upgrade. I don’t have a large budget at the moment. I would really like to move to a nice contractor or hybrid saw with a cast iron top. My Ryobi saw only allowed me to rip to about 15” (if I really go to the limit of my fence guide)—I’m definitely looking for something with a larger capacity.

I’m trying to find a decent used saw. Living in Phoenix, there’s quite a few on craigslist. I was wondering if I could get any advice on what to look for/avoid. I’m not new to woodworking, but I have really exceeded the capability of my tools – so I am new to better equipment.

I did find a Jet saw on craigslist. It’s listed for $550. I haven’t heard back from the seller yet as to whether it’s even still available. I can’t tell what model it is, or if the wings are steel or iron. Is this a good deal?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!


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bonesbr549

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#1 posted 08-23-2018 12:44 PM

seems hi to me for that saw. They may have put that as a starting point. That’s a hybrid saw, I’d go 300 tops. If you want an upgrade and can afford that wait for a true CS.

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#2 posted 08-23-2018 01:23 PM

That’s what I was thinking. What kind of CS should I look for? There’s a Grizzly that’s not too far away, but it’s a right-tilt. I don’t know how I feel about that.

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#3 posted 08-23-2018 02:11 PM

I had a griz for 10 years no issue. I had the left tilt. I prefer my blade tilting away from the fence. I paid 1500 for mine new (1023slx) and got 800 used. I have a sawstop now, and to be honest only upgraded to get 5hp and safety.

If it were me, I’d look for an old delta and they come up from time to time. The old ones could have to have bearings replaced, which is not too awful bad. I’d get a magnetic base with dial indicator to test arbor. It should not be sloppy. If so, good bargaining point.

I’d also do the nickle test. Stand a nickle on edge and you can start the saw and it does not fall and cut it off and it does not fall when it spends down, it’s good.

If you can do a CS with 3hp min, (assuming you can do 220v). If you can do 600-800 you will have a lot more options, but have seen some deals if you can be patient.. Good luck! Cheers!

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#4 posted 08-23-2018 03:11 PM

That picture is a Jet Supersaw. I have been using one for about ten years with mixed results. First, let me say this. the saw was about $900 new. It has a 1.5 horsepower motor that is single phase and runs on 120. The original table components are cast iron.

The saw performs very well when it is running. Although it is slightly under-powered. There are, however built in engineering flaws with the blade raising mechanism. The mechanism is belt drive and it is ornery like a scorned woman. (See my original forum post about it for more information.) If I had it to do over again, I would have spent the extra money on a new Delta Unisaw and never worried about it again.

If I was in your position, I would be looking for an old Delta and I would be willing to do what it takes to soup it up because it can truly be the center of a fine wood shop.

Good luck with your search.

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#5 posted 08-23-2018 03:25 PM

I think Jet is a decent brand. I have a Jet contractor saw that is over 20 years old and it still works great. Other good brands are Powermatic, Delta, Grizzly, General, etc.

I would suggest getting something with at least a 30” rip capacity. Check the fence to ensure that it slides easily and locks securely. How much does it deflect when locked?

More weight is a good thing with a table saw. A cast iron table helps here and cast iron wings are a plus but stamped steel is also fine. Check the table top with a straight edge to see if it is concave/convex. I would steer clear of the wings that are a lattice of steel—I would think it would be easy to get pinched.

The “nickel” test is good for a saw that is completely sorted out—but the price may be a little higher. Perhaps you can get a deal on something that needs a little TLC and won’t pass the nickel test right now. It’s not difficult to tune up the saw. Here’s an article that talks about applying a new link-belt and machined pulleys. I would also suggest looking into getting a set of PALS. Another useful tool is a micrometer and jig that you can use to check blade to slot parallelism and blade to fence parallelism. Many of these jigs can also be used to check bearing run-out on the arbor. If you get this tool bring it with you when you check out a saw and see if there is bearing run-out.

Hope this helps.

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#6 posted 08-23-2018 03:38 PM

Thanks Bill.

I had never heard of the nickel test until today. My current saw would fail that immediately.
I have been doing alot of research and scouring Craigslist, Offerup, and Facebook marketplace. I would like a cabinet saw, but when I think about the space that I have, I don’t know that I can justify it. I think I should stick with the contractor/hybrid type for at least the portability within the garage (I have a CNC…)

What do you think about the Rigid 4512. For what I was looking to spend, I can nearly buy one of those new (especially if I can get HD to take a HF coupon.)

Alternatively, there’s a Craftsman 315 with a ShopFOX fence and Router Table extension wing about 90 miles away for 400$. But I’ve read about issues with reliability on Craftsman saws.

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#7 posted 08-23-2018 03:48 PM

Welcome to lj’s AZICURN. If you’re not in a rush I think you can find a great deal on CL or OfferUp in the $300 range. What you are striving for is the lumberjocks “YOU SUCK” label which is only bestowed upon people skilled and lucky enough to find the deal of a lifetime on a used piece of equipment.

Recent examples here and here. A local member bought that saw and re-listed it the same day and sold it for $450 without ever unloading it from his truck.

Be patient and happy hunting.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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AZICURN

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#8 posted 08-23-2018 03:50 PM

Lol, yes. I want that! And thanks for the welcome.

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#9 posted 08-23-2018 03:57 PM

I don’t have experience with either of those saws. I noticed there are alot of reviews of the Rigid 4512 on this website—check them out.

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#10 posted 08-23-2018 04:01 PM

And don’t forget rule #5.

Rule No. 5: In the time between finding a machine and asking others if you should buy it someone else will come to the proper conclusion.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#11 posted 08-23-2018 04:29 PM

That Jet does have solid cast wings, but seems a bit steep for a saw with that particular Microglide fence, if that’s what it is….not sure if a router is included. It looks like an older Proshop model, but gives no info at all. You could always make an offer if it checks out…asking price and selling price are often different.

Here are a few others I spotted in Phoenix that might be worth a look:

Ridgid 3650 ($400) – https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tls/d/rigid-table-saw/6667408732.html
Ridgid 3650 ($300) – https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/tls/d/ridgid-table-saw/6677051915.html

Powermatic PM64a ($600) – https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/tls/d/table-saw/6630237543.html

Craftsman w/Delta T2 fence ($400) – https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tls/d/craftsman-table-saw-with/6641825340.html

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AZICURN

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#12 posted 08-23-2018 05:24 PM

Thanks Knotscott,

I had looked at all those. The Powermatic is nice but a bit over my budget. I liked the Rigid, but no riving knife made me nervous. I initially dismissed the Craftsman, but it sounds like it might be worth looking at. It’s a bit of a drive, I talked with the guy and I’ll go look at it Friday. I really like the fence and the left wing is a router insert. I see a few hole patterns on there. I’m hoping that it might fit my PC base. That rolling stand seems kinda short though.

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#13 posted 08-23-2018 05:57 PM

Sorry for the repetitive questions… What do you think of this saw? I’m going to see it today. He said he was negotiable on the price—he’s asking 450. I like the Delta Unifence.

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#14 posted 08-23-2018 06:16 PM

Its a tough decision when you don’t know exactly what you want.

My suggestion is to shoot for a 3HP cabinet saw – Unisaw, Rockwell, Jet, Grizzly. They can often be found in the $5-700 range. Be patient and keep looking.

Its personal preference and what kind of ww’ing you do as to how powerful a machine you need.

I would stay away from Craftsman, especially the older 70-80’s models,

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#15 posted 08-23-2018 06:26 PM

Unless you want a saw today…(and I know that feeling)...

Be patient and keep looking.
- rwe2156


Be patient and happy hunting.
- Andybb


i have been looking for a used unisaw for 6 months on craigslist for a year here in wi. most have been 800-1200 dollars. or 500 miles away. so yesterday wife and i went to an estate sale in lacross. lady said there s some tools in gaurage so off i went. junk everywhere, old lawn mowers rakes,standard stuff. so i saw some pipe clamps in the corner,picked up 2 and my mouth dropped open,there was a unifence leaning against the wall… i asked the 70 year old woman if she had the rest of the saw? she said it s over there covered up.have a look she said. pulled cover off and it was a 3 hp 34-802 in really pretty decent shape. asked how much would you take for it? she says 400 dollars. so off i went to u haul picked up a truck .took 3 of us to get it in the truck got it home and had to take it apart in truck to get it out by myself with a dolly. will post pictures when cleaned up. her neighbors were there helping her with her estate sale.so they helped with loading . i m really excited i got the saw so cheap.i m retired and spent all day cleaning it up by the part number it appears to be a 1992.

- ruger

Also consider where you’re going to put it. A full on cabinet saw can be a very heavy behemoth weighing 700 lbs. The motor alone could be 60-70 lbs.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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