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08-07-2018 12:04 PM

I picked this up thinking it was a Keen Kutter. The base has no Kx or KKx and the only marking on the base is “Made In USA”. The frog is red and looks like original paint. The frog has the number 609 on it. The adjusting nut is 1 1/4” and steel as are the tote and knob screws. Hardwood, stained a fakey color and varnished. The iron and lever cap have the Keen Kutter logo. Here are some pictures:

Thank You, David

-- David -- sent from my linux box


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#1 posted 08-07-2018 06:10 PM

judging from the lateral—the frog at least, is a Sargent

Most likely the plane is a Sargent, into which, someone has dropped a KK blade and lever cap.

Just my guess.

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#2 posted 08-07-2018 06:23 PM

OK thanks Johnny, I appreciate the information.

-- David -- sent from my linux box

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#3 posted 08-07-2018 07:01 PM

It’s possible that it’s a later model Keen Kutter. Keen Kutter never made their own planes, so their style changed with manufacturers. When I get home from work I can dig up some more info on who would have made this particular plane, if its configuration is original

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#4 posted 08-07-2018 07:14 PM

Thanks Mos, that’s great.

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#5 posted 08-07-2018 11:11 PM

I agree with Moss. Sargent made KK plane starting in the 50s and went into the 60s.

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#6 posted 08-08-2018 02:54 PM



It s possible that it s a later model Keen Kutter. Keen Kutter never made their own planes, so their style changed with manufacturers. When I get home from work I can dig up some more info on who would have made this particular plane, if its configuration is original

- Mosquito

Hi Mos,
I know a little of the KK history and that they never made their own planes, etc. If I had seen the frog close up I probably wouldn’t have bid on it. But since I have it, I thought I would try to learn a little about it. The first odd thing I found was that there are quite a few simliar ones on “the auction site”....and I knew Sargent made planes for KK. Two other facts were that the frog is red and the hardware was all steel. A guy could jump to all sorts of conclusions about those I guess but that would’t make them facts. The blade is marked with the E C Simmons logo and they quit using that in 1940 when Shapleigh bought them out. That’s the only concrete fact I have. It seems to be just some parts put together but I have, what I assume to be an good early example of a KK lever cap, plane iron and chipbreaker.

-- David -- sent from my linux box

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#7 posted 08-08-2018 06:38 PM

In my reference material, Sargent was making the planes for Shapleigh, and


"The earliest available reference to a plane in this series is dated 1950. The lever cap logo on these planes have the words Keen Kutter only and have a red background. [...] The double cutters are incised with the wedge and bar logo. The words E. C. Simmons are included within the outline of the cutter logo on the early variety of planes of this type. [...] The frogs are painted black on early planes and red on later models."

So that would be my guess. A mid-age version after Sargent started making them for Shapleigh, as yours exhibits characteristics of both early and later aged planes.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#8 posted 08-08-2018 07:13 PM

Wow, that is some great information there.
So this plane is original condition possibly?
My lever cap is as your info says, but no color showing.
Thanks for your info, good stuff.

-- David -- sent from my linux box

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#9 posted 08-08-2018 09:16 PM

It is entirely possible that it’s got its original parts. I’m not as experienced with the Keen Kutters of that vintage, as all of mine are the much older KK series (and a few K series)

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#10 posted 08-08-2018 09:35 PM

Ok great, I get the history now. So by the time my version came out, they were just trying to use up parts?.
Very interesting and enjoyable, thanks, Mos

-- David -- sent from my linux box

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#11 posted 08-08-2018 10:39 PM

Sargent was using up what they had for parts by then and they were notorious (as we’re most manufacturers) for using what ever parts they had when sending them to resellers.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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