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Eloyd

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07-31-2018 07:48 PM

I am soon to buy a new Saw Stop table saw. I have gone thru their site to build my saw. I am looking at the 3hp, 220v pro model. However, I can’t decide which mobile base would be best for me. The PCS integrated, or the ICS Mobil. The ICS is $328.00, and the PCS is $i99.00. My shop is small and I end up moving my equipment a lot. So, I am kinda leaning toward the ICS brcause it rolls everywhere, where as the PCS you have to steer it. Also, I am not sure of the dust collection. There is the Overarm at $199.00, or the Floating at $399.00. Which one would make me happy. This is a big investment, so I want to be sure I am completely happy, and not wish that I had bought “the other one.” Anyone out there have these and wish to commit? On the dust collections, does the saw guard lift, or swing out of the way for some cuts. How easy does that happen? Is one collector better then the other for this. As I said, this will be the saw I will live with, so I want to make sure I get it as I want it to start with.

-- Eloyd


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Wickate

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#1 posted 07-31-2018 08:00 PM

I have the ICS base for my saw and love it. I use my garage to park a vehicle when I’m not working on a project so I have to frequently move my equipment in and out it’s storage place. The free to move casters on the ICS base makes this far easier. Well worth the extra cost to me. The only down side I was aware of prior to buying was that the ICS base is deeper because of the rear swivel wheels. That makes it take up more floor space when I store it away. No big deal for me though.

I don’t have any experience on the other options you asked about, sorry.

Hope this helps.

Chad

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Redoak49

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#2 posted 07-31-2018 08:13 PM

The ICS base is the one I have and think it is the best mobile base made.

I have the over arm collector and it works OK. I am certain that the floating is better. But is your dust collector big enough to handle two 4” connections at a time? Personally, I do not mind having some sawdust coming off the saw. Actually, at least half the time I do not use the over arm collector.

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BroncoBrian

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#3 posted 07-31-2018 08:27 PM

Eloyd,

Welcome to PCS ownership! You will be happy with your saw.

I use the integrated base and it is fine. With the 36” rails, I am able to steer it around with no issues.

If you have a good DC system, I am not sure you need either arm option. I would hate having that in the way, especially on a mobile setup. The dust collection is very good with this saw and there are only a few odd cuts that throw dust up. Most of the time, having the blade open and using a good sled will be sufficient.

I have the 1.75, it has been great, plenty of power, but the 220 version is not much more expensive and would be my choice if doing this again. Get yourself a good Forrest WWII blade.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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Fred Hargis

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#4 posted 07-31-2018 08:42 PM

The ICS mobile has (for me) set a new standard for the way mobile bases should be made. he saw sits flat on the floor and a hydraulic jack raises it up to be moved. With all four wheels that swivel, it easy to put the saw where it need to be. That said, the extra cost may not be worth it to you…..it’s an evaluation you need to make.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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clin

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#5 posted 07-31-2018 09:20 PM

I have a 3HP PCS and use it with the ICS base. I think you understand the difference. But I’ll spell it out in case it helps. With the ICS base all 4 casters swivel. This means you can rotate it in place. I think this is very helpful in a small shop space.

The PCS base has two fixed and two swival casters, and to effectively rotate it requires successive back and forth movements.

There are other differences as well in how it lifts. What I can say is with the ICS base, a few pumps with a foot pedal lifts everything and a toe tap on the release lever lowers it very gently. I wouldn’t hesitate to get the ICS base again.

One thing not obvious about the ICS base is the low ground clearance. While it can lift the saw about 1”. The lift is in a cradle, supported by the casters. The frame of this cradle has at most 3/8” of ground clearance. This frame doesn’t move when you lift the saw. The saw is lifted by this frame.

Point is, it rolls really well on even surfaces like a typical garage floor. But WILL NOT roll over any sort of threshold. For example, my garage has a 1” lip at the front. The ICS base cannot clear this. The casters can roll over it, but the frame will high center.

It’s on my list to put shims under the casters to effectively raise the frame and get more ground clearance.

I do not know how the PCS compares in this regard.

I have the overarm dust collection, but have no experience with the floating system. The blade guard adjusts for the thickness of the stock but is attached to a splitter. You have to remove it if the cut is NOT a through cut. In that case you would replace the splitter with the riving knife. It takes just moments to swap the splitter/guard and the riving knife. There’s no excuse for not using them as they are so easy to change when needed.

I use the guard unless there is some reason I can’t. For example, I can’t use the guard with my crosscut sleds or when doing dados since these are not through cuts.

I don’t think you mentioned it, I got the 36” T-glide fence and would also do that again.

A SawStop is expensive, but I don’t regret spending the money one bit. Hurts your wallet once and thereafter will feel good every time you use it.

Also, if possible I would get from a local dealer. In general the pricing seems to always come out about the same. You might get a lower price inline, but then have to pay shipping. If you deal local, then you can resolve problems locally. There’s something to be said about that when dealing with something that weighs 400 lbs.

-- Clin

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BMichs75

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#6 posted 08-01-2018 12:58 AM

I have the 5HP ICS with the mobile base. It weights some 700+ lbs and you can move it around the shop with your thumb. I love the saw and can’t imagine a different mobile base.
As for the overarm dust collection, I don’t have it. I don’t know if I want it to be honest. The dust collection is good without the overarm. Is there some dust….sure but I can live with it. If I had a whole shop dust collection system I may take the plunge for the arm.
The price is no different based on where you buy it. Sawstop price fixes all their products. But if you buy it from a local dealer you can save the cost of shipping. If you buy at the right time they will throw in either the basic overarm dust collector or the pcs base for free.

No matter what you are getting the best saw on the market and when you add in the safety feature, you can’t go wrong. Good luck

-- Brandon

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Rayne

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#7 posted 08-01-2018 01:36 AM

ICS Mobile Base all the way. Heaviest tool in my shop but the easiest to move around and can pivot on the spot. Sometimes I forget how easy it is to move and shove the saw too hard and it keeps going. lol. For a small shop, this will make your life easier.

I have the Overarm dust collector and am happy with it. I have no dust on the top when in use, but the disadvantage is that it’s hard to use with a table saw sled or releavitely small cuts. The floating arm will only work if you have a really strong DC. My 1.5HP ShopFox can’t provide enough suction for 2 – 4” blastgates being open. THe saw guard does lift, but I’m not sure about moving it out of the way. Similar models like this allowed it to be shoved in rather than moved. After looking at some pics in the sawstop model, there’s a lever to loosen the smaller arm, so you can shove it in out of the way.

Good luck on your purchase and let us know what you end up getting.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#8 posted 08-01-2018 01:55 AM

I have the PCS as it came free with the saw but only one side of the saw swivels. I only move it to clean so it’s okay but as others indicate above the ICS base seems a lot more versatile.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Sailsnsaws

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#9 posted 08-01-2018 06:22 AM

I have the 3HP PCS with the ICS base. I have no regrets spending the extra money for something so well made and proves useful every day. The 3 horse model comes with a very good blade guard with integrated dust collection. I most often just use the riving knife set up but for ripping it’s easy to slip the blade guard into the slot. When I do I just hook up a Festool DC sucking through a dust deputy to the guard. My big DC is always connected to the cabinet port. When I do this it’s pretty much a dust free operation.
The ICS base is designed for the larger saw so you must use Sawstop adapter for the PCS. The base extends a few inches deeper at the back as a result.
It’s a major investment but you’re going to be very happy.

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jmos

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#10 posted 08-01-2018 11:55 AM

I’ve got a PCS as well. I don’t move it, so no thoughts on the mobile base.

I did get the overarm dust collection, and I was not at all impressed. Compared to my old Jet with a Shark Guard it did not work well at all. If you examine it, at the guard itself it really narrows down to a very small cross-sectional area and chokes off air flow. I stopped using mine and replaced it with a Shark Guard. Much better performance.

This is all based on it being connected to a 5hp cyclone dust collection system. Perhaps it performs better with a shopvac set-up, but why would I want to run two vacuum systems for my tablesaw (a cyclone for the 4” cabinet port, plus a shopvac for the guard.)

The new floating system looks like it may get around the problem of choking off air flow. It can also be used when you’re making more cuts, and is easier to move out of the way when you don’t want to use it. If you’re choosing between the two, I’d pick the floating version. If you can, try to see it in action before you buy.

If you want, I’ll be happy to sell you, or anyone else, my SawStop overarm dust collection cheap.

-- John

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Blindhog

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#11 posted 08-01-2018 12:33 PM

I have the 3hp PCS with the ICS base as well. Great saw and the mobile base works like a champ. I have a converted 3-car garage and have all my major equipment on mobile bases so I can rearrange the space as needed for varying operations. If you choose the ICS, you won’t be sorry.
Enjoy your new saw and make some sawdust!

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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Markmh1

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#12 posted 08-01-2018 12:46 PM

I have the PCS with the integrated mobile base. Ever since I put the saw into operation I’ve regretted this. If I had it to do over, I’d go with the ICS base.

I did make another mistake. When my saw was delivered it was put in my garage. Sawstop instructions advised to assemble the mobile base with the saw on the styrofoam packing. This made the base easier to install. Now however, the saw’s footprint enlarged and I had trouble getting the thing through doors and down to the basement. After removing doors I was able to shoehorn it down. Wow. You may want to do a little measuring before you start assembly.

I don’t know much about dust collection.

I really like this saw, I’m glad I bought it.

Mark

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BroncoBrian

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#13 posted 08-01-2018 01:51 PM

Now I feel like I have missed something the ICS base.

That’s it, this thing is going to Goodwill today, I am starting over. 5HP ICS with ICS base.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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moke

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#14 posted 08-01-2018 04:56 PM

+1 for the ICS base….I have a PCS base and it is a pain. I also have a 3 stall garage with a ton of tools with all tools having mobile bases. The bases that have two non-turning wheels are certainly not as convenient as the ones that do. However, if you are going to let it sit in the same spot most of the time the PCS would be fine. Mind has the 52 inch extension table which makes the PCS even more worthless.

I got a an over arm dust collection for free with mine and it looked like a PITA so I never have attached it…...I have a number of the zero clearance inserts so various blades/inserts are “tight to the blade”....they are messier…..I get better cuts though. I also like to use a lot of jigs…... multiple crosscut sleds for various things and mortising jig….over arm dust collection is not going to work for that so I just vacuum after I’m done…..I’m just fine with that….

Good Luck…you are going to love that saw!

-- Mike

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bennesh1

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#15 posted 08-03-2018 02:53 PM

I bought the Sawstop Pro with 52” fence about 6 months ago. I spent the extra money to get the industrial base and in my opinion it was well worth it. Since all 4 wheels caster, I can move the saw in my small shop and even pivot it around in place. I also go the overarm dust collection (as a free upgrade at the time) but I’m not impressed so far with that. I have a Delta 1.5 hp DC and it doesn’t have enough suction to overcome the design flaws in this overarm DC. I hope to upgrade my DC next year and I may feel differently after that. Also I found that the overarm DC was a pain to use before I built an outfeed table because the longer cutoff pieces would get hung up on the pawls and I would not be able to push them off the back of the saw. Not an issue now that I’ve built a folding outfeed table.

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