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Forum topic by jacww posted 07-30-2018 01:24 PM 1020 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-30-2018 01:24 PM

This amazing tool resource is no longer available and is “going dark” on July 31, 2018.

I just went to www.wkfinetools.com to lookup something and was surprised to find this:

TonyC


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#1 posted 07-30-2018 01:45 PM

That’s terrible. Just used it last week for info on making a marking knife.

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#2 posted 07-30-2018 02:12 PM

I hate to see that, and I had not even ever heard of it prior to this thread.
Now I have gone to the website, and see that the info is interesting, but as said, all the links are dead.

Dang. Hi Ho.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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#3 posted 07-30-2018 02:50 PM

Much traffic on the Porch about this. Wiktor had serious issues with efforts by several to download and back up the site; it’s his, it’s gone. “Oh well” is all that’s left to say. I’ll miss the content by the individual contributors; there was solid stuff there.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#4 posted 07-30-2018 03:00 PM

I will miss it. There were some great articles on old manufacturing that were very interesting.

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#5 posted 07-30-2018 03:03 PM

That is awful. I enjoyed that site immensely.

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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#6 posted 07-30-2018 03:05 PM

Well, all may not be lost. It appears that the Internet Archive (aka The WayBackMachine) at https://archive.org has archived wkfinetools.com content. It’s slow but it works!

Go to: https://archive.org

Paste http://www.wkfinetools.com into the search field and click GO.

The archive will display a calendar and allow you to pick a specific date you want to look at the site content. Of course picking the last date in July 2018 will give you the most current content.

TonyC

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#7 posted 07-30-2018 03:15 PM

Smitty, what is the URL for “The Porch” that you mentioned? Is it another woodworking forum?

TonyC

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#8 posted 07-30-2018 03:43 PM

Tony – it’s a mailing list.

https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#9 posted 07-30-2018 03:59 PM

Thanks Smitty!

TonyC

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#10 posted 08-01-2018 07:00 AM

There are some absolute gems in these archives. Does anyone here know Mr. Kuc personally and might be able to reach out? It’s a tragedy to see so much knowledge destroyed.

I understand that the wayback machine has already created an archive through a series of site snapshots over the years – but typically these archives are fragmented, particularly with media (photos, attachments, etc).

I know about hosting and technology in general and would be willing to facilitate archiving this site properly to a new host and domain. There are myriad (almost too many) ways to host and distribute content with little or trivial expense.

Mr. Kuc appears to be using Godaddy as his registrar and I assume host (this provider doesn’t have a particularly good reputation). He’s also using active server pages which was popular in the late 90s (which makes sense given its founding), but I can’t think of a single instance of anyone using it right now. I wouldn’t want to maintain an ASP site either.

If he’s running it off of a bare-metal server (a single computer sitting, say, in his office) I can see how it might be feasible to have issues with his bandwidth? Otherwise, if he’s using a hosting provider, datacenter or any form of virtualization it’s difficult to imagine that the bandwidth this site generates is at all meaningful in modern terms (a single youtube view probably uses more bandwidth than tens of thousands of page loads of this site for example).

He’s only posted his unique page views http://wkfinetools.com/zMisc/adver/siteStats.asp , but you can do some back of the envelope calculations on bandwidth. His landing page is about 32KB. If you take that as an average size per page, over the past year you can say 12-15 GB per month, somewhere in that neighborhood. Nearly every virtual server I’m working with, even the lowest tiers – say $5-$10 a month – have terabytes of bandwidth available. So even if the bandwidth was ten or even twenty times that amount – it’s trivial.

The fact that he’s asking people to delete their already scrapped versions of the site indicates to me that bandwidth isn’t the primary reason though. It’s apparent he doesn’t want to cede any control but also doesn’t want to continue – and that’s a motivation that only someone who had a personal relationship with him might be able to understand and reason with.

Of course the site belongs to Mr. Kuc, but the moment you accept contributions it becomes a collaboration – one of the founding tenants of the web. Everyone here is a richer person for having access to knowledge, both that they can learn from and contribute to – particularly given our passion of woodworking. Please count me in as a voice for preserving that history. I’m willing to help if Mr. Kuc is open to the idea.

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