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Forum topic by CrashTestMonkey posted 07-25-2018 10:31 AM 2008 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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CrashTestMonkey

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07-25-2018 10:31 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tools table saw

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I couldn’t find anything with a search (and the site doesn’t appear to have an Advanced Search feature).

So I’ve gotten sign-off on a table saw purchase from the CFO (my wife), and I’m trying to decide between the Grizzly G0771Z or Laguna Fusion 2. I realize they aren’t a direct apples to apples comparison because they occupy different price-points, but I’m wondering if anyone might share their opinions on these two.

I’m pretty new to woodworking, but excited to set up a small shop in my garage. Having looked at reviews for both I have reservations on each:

Grizzly G0771Z
- I saw a video on YouTube where the person demonstrated a misalignment with the arbor, and it appeared from comments that this was affecting others.
- I’ve found a few complaints about defects, although the company seems to stand behind their products.

Laguna Fusion 2
- There’s clearly an airflow issue for dust collection, with the lower cabinet filling up a bit with sawdust.
- It runs on 115/230, so I’ll need to have an electrician come in to accommodate that. (BTW… what’s up with that? Why do all the table saws seem to be running 115/230 instead of 110/220 now?)

I’m really leaning towards the Laguna because it seems to be an overall better tool, and since my wife is OK with the extra cost it seems like I should strike while the iron is hot. But I’d like to know if there’s anything significant I’m missing here that might sway my decision one way or the other.

Thanks! :)


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AHuxley

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#1 posted 07-25-2018 10:51 AM

I don’t have personal experience with either saw so I won’t comment on that.

Regarding 110v vs 115v vs 120v they are all the same, they are variations used to mean standard (properly designated) 120v US household current with a 120v potential from hot to neutral. The 220/230/240 is just the standard split phase power in a home (2 120v hot legs out of phase). Depending on the quality of your power you will probably see over 120v at your outlets, mine usually run about 124 to 126v. I have never understood why companies use different nomenclature but you are good.

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#2 posted 07-25-2018 02:35 PM

Thanks for info on the power. Do you know offhand if the 115v configuration is likely to come with a standard 3-prong plug? I like to be able to use it a bit between the time it arrives and when I can get an electrician out to add a sub-panel and some outlets.

I realize you can’t say for sure… but do you know what’s likely?

Thanks!

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#3 posted 07-25-2018 02:54 PM

I’d get the Jet Proshop over either. The Fusion has very similar trunnion structure as the Proshop with a lesser two piece aluminum fence. It’s a well proven saw with no systemic issues that I’ve heard about since its release several years ago.

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#4 posted 07-25-2018 03:42 PM

Crash Test,

Congrats on a saw purchase and welcome to LJ. Stick around and learn some stuff!

I’m with Knotscott on this one. I’d get the Jet over either, no doubts about it. Unless there is a Powermatic on Craigslist around you that is clean. I prefer new gear myself because I do not want to fix others sloppy care practices. But that saw will be the main course for a long time in your shop, so get it right.

All of these saws will come with a standard IEC power cord for 110/115/120 which in the US is more often close to 119/121 anyway. None of that will matter and you will not need an electrician unless you are lacking outlets. Make/buy a good extension board from 12 g cable and you will be fine.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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CrashTestMonkey

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#5 posted 07-25-2018 03:57 PM

Knotscott and BroncoBrian – Thank you both for the feedback and recommendation!

I’ve looked at the Jet, but a lot of the reviews I’ve seen noted the dust extraction is really poor (in more than one they stated it is ‘non-existent’).

I will say that I’m leaning away from the Fusion as I find more info on it… so now it seems like a hunt between the Grizzly and Jet. Good lord, a person can go nuts trying to figure this out! :)

Also, BroncoBrian, thank you for the clarification on the electrical. I really appreciate it. I’m definitely going to hire an electrician to have a sub-panel added… all I have in the garage is two outlets on the ceiling for garage openers, and one on the far wall (across from where I’m setting up my work area). So… yeah, I’m just gonna bite the bullet and get power added. My CFO has already approved that too… so I’ve got to move on it. If I wait she might change her mind. :)

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#6 posted 07-25-2018 04:08 PM

BTW… just to be clear this is what we’re talking about. right?

https://www.amazon.com/Jet-725000K-ProShop-Wings-White/dp/B07BDRCRC5/ref

Thanks!

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#7 posted 07-25-2018 04:55 PM

You are right. The Jet lacks good dust collection. I forgot about that.

Are you able to swing this: http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-240V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RL

The budget cabinet saws can sometimes be more of a contractor saw wearing a skirt. That is why their DC is not good. Even a PM 1000 is not nearly their 2000/66 or Jet Xacta lines. I went through all of this as you are. Almost bought a G1023 but went with a 36” SS instead. SO GLAD I DID!

If you need to get more from your CFO, I’d be happy to talk her into it. One trip to the ER and you are ahead for life!

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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#8 posted 07-25-2018 04:56 PM

Btw: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/160666

Knotscott has a good post here on the first page about some of these saws. The guy knows what he is talking about.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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#9 posted 07-25-2018 04:59 PM

Go with a bigger sub panel then you think you need. Trust me you will have them all filled in no time and want more.

-- Aj

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#10 posted 07-25-2018 05:03 PM

I purchased the original Laguna Fusion almost two years ago (The Fusion 2 appears to have only minor changes) and have been pleased. Obviously, it was a huge step up from my 30+ year old Craftsman contractor saw. The assembly was easy because the OEM supplied video was very well done. I had a small problem (broken throat plate) and got great support from customer service.

I too looked at Grizzly, Jet, Saw Stop, and Powermatic. For me, the purchase decision came down to a value decision based on how much I’d use the saw and how much money I wanted to spend. I’m an avid hobbyist, not a pro. But my saw gets used several times a week and sometimes heavily for days at a time. So, while I can’t offer a comparison to the Grizzly, I can simply say this is a good saw and I’ve never had a problem.

As far as electrical is concerned, any device that pulls current like this ought to have a dedicated breaker (if I recall, it’s about 15 amps). And similarly, that’s why you’d use 220 v installation vs 115v. You’ll draw less current for a given horsepower with the higher voltage. Of course, the downside is cost of installation.

By the way, here’s my installation – http://lumberjocks.com/projects/330265

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ccc118

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#11 posted 07-25-2018 05:17 PM

I’m one of the people that had a blade alignment issue with the G0771z. This was fixed by replacing a part that pivots as the blade is raised and lowered. The edge of the part that pivots on the motor was not ground smooth, so it was causing things to shift slightly. The person who made the video is the only other one I’ve heard of having this issue, so I don’t think it’s a common problem. After that got resolved, it has been a pretty good saw.

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Woodchuckswife

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#12 posted 07-25-2018 05:19 PM

I would go with grizzly I got 17 of there machines and cant say a bad word about any of them except the scrollsaw that the don’t make any more. I was luckyand sold it for 75.00 lest than I paid for it but I used it 3 years.
Chuck

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#13 posted 07-25-2018 05:22 PM

BroncoBrian – Thanks for your help on this… You’ve given me quite a bit to consider. I’m going to swing by the SS store in Seattle later today to take a look at their 30” Contractor. If I can’t swing that, I can always run up the freeway to the Grizzly outlet if the G1023 seems like the way to go (it’s only 60 miles north of me).

Aj2 – Yep… totally agree on the sub-panel. I’m planning to have a 100 amp panel added… that way I have room to grow.

BburgBoy – Thank you for sharing your experience with the Laguna… it’s nice to hear from someone who’s lived and worked with one. BTW, your setup is awesome! Thanks for sharing.

I’ve got to run now… but I’ll be back online later tonight. Thanks again to everyone for your help. :)

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#14 posted 07-25-2018 05:27 PM

ccc118 – That’s good to know. I was a bit worried about that, but haven’t seen any follow-up around whether or not the problem was fixed by Grizzly. Thanks!

Woodchuckswife – That’s certainly good to hear. Do you think it’s worth moving up to the G1023, or is the G0771Z sufficient? Thanks for your feedback. :)

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#15 posted 07-25-2018 11:48 PM


BroncoBrian – Thanks for your help on this… You ve given me quite a bit to consider. I m going to swing by the SS store in Seattle later today to take a look at their 30” Contractor. If I can t swing that, I can always run up the freeway to the Grizzly outlet if the G1023 seems like the way to go (it s only 60 miles north of me).

Aj2 – Yep… totally agree on the sub-panel. I m planning to have a 100 amp panel added… that way I have room to grow.

BburgBoy – Thank you for sharing your experience with the Laguna… it s nice to hear from someone who s lived and worked with one. BTW, your setup is awesome! Thanks for sharing.

I ve got to run now… but I ll be back online later tonight. Thanks again to everyone for your help. :)

- CrashTestMonkey

If you’ve got 220v, and are even remotely thinking about the G1023RL, IMO it’s the way to go over any of the hybrids….it’s simply a more substantial saw and about the most bang that buck on the market. The hybrids are sufficient, but the true 3hp cabinet saws are just a different animal….sort of like comparing a compact truck to a diesel dualy.

The SS is the only one that won’t bite the hand that feeds it, but it is not the most substantial saw in the price range. You’ll get steel wings, an outboard motor, and an entry level fence for about the same price as a G1023RL.

FWIW, the Jet Proshop II now has a DC shroud around the blade for improved dust collection, so I wouldn’t count it out for poor DC just yet.

These saws all have great potential to be excellent…your research will pay off!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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