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Forum topic by maddogio posted 07-24-2018 06:13 PM 584 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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maddogio

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07-24-2018 06:13 PM

Long time lurker here. I’ve learned an immense amount. Thanks to all who contribute to this amazing resource.

I’m at the place where I’d like to expand the projects I do in my humble garage shop. For the past few years, I’ve been using a Makita 2708 jobsite table saw. The terrible fence is a major annoyance and the small table is limiting. I’d like to replace with a contractor or hybrid saw that I could easily move around in my garage. I have a budget of around $600. I suspect my money will be best spent on a used saw.

There’s an interesting saw on CL at the link below. It’s a granite topped Craftsman. I think these were made by Steel City. Reviews suggest it’s likely to be a reasonably solid performer and a major upgrade from my current saw. I have a few concerns, though. First, I wonder if parts are available since Steel City is no longer in business. Second, I’ve not heard much about the proprietary fence, although there are a few mentions that it works well.

The saw is a couple hours from me, and I’d rather not make multiple trips. The photos in the listing don’t really document the condition of the saw very well. I plan to request more before committing to go take a look. Presuming it’s in good shape, is $450 reasonable? Are there other things to consider regarding this particular saw?

The link to the ad is:
https://westslope.craigslist.org/tls/6637957881.html


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bondogaposis

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#1 posted 07-24-2018 06:32 PM

One thing you should find out if it is wired for 110v or 220v that may make your decision for you if you don’t have 220v in your garage. I would say that it is little bit high for that saw, I would offer $400. It will be a huge step up from what you have.

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#2 posted 07-24-2018 06:45 PM

Rust won’t be a problem, and the condition looks pretty decent from what I can tell. The fence is a Biese Lite copy, fairly similar to something like the Delta T2….not as nice as the commercial Biese that was on the 22124 (predecessor to the 22116), but decent. The trunnions are cabinet mounted, and it has a true riving knife.T The guts are the same as the former Ridgid R4511, but I believe the motor is a bit beefier. The granite is kind of a mixed bag for me, but if it’s not cracked, it should be fine. I’m not positive, but I thought I’d read that parts could be available from GI or Cutech. I have some reservations about the insert, but it’s been a while since I took a good look at one….don’t recall it being an issue. IMHO $450 is not a bad starting point if it checks out….should be light years beyond your jobsite saw, and it may be tough to find more saw for that price.

Note sure how far this is from you, but it also looks like a solid deal. No riving knife, and has the old school outboard motor. It also has the Jet Xacta fence and solid cast iron wings. https://denver.craigslist.org/tls/d/jet-tablesaw/6650177971.html

There’s also this 22124 with the Biese fence, also made by Steel City/Orion. It doesn’t have the riving knife, but does have a more conventional cast iron top, and readily available throat inserts that fit Delta. Might be some typos in the ad – should have a 1-3/4hp motor vs 3/4hp, and the full models is the 152.22124###, not 125.###. https://denver.craigslist.org/tls/d/craftsman-professional-table/6647879389.html

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maddogio

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#3 posted 07-24-2018 07:49 PM

Thanks for the responses. The saw is wired 110v, which I require. I’ve been occasionally looking at saws listed in Denver. There’s certainly a better selection. Unfortunately, it’s about 5 hours away (as is Salt Lake). If I go there, it’s to buy, not browse. That’s not my preferred method.

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maddogio

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#4 posted 07-24-2018 07:58 PM

Also, if I did buy, I’d need to disassmble that top before transporting. Does anyone have a sense of how those granite wings are attached? What tools should I bring?

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jonah

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#5 posted 07-25-2018 03:09 AM

They’ll be bolted on with normal hex bolts. IIRC, they epoxy threaded inserts into the granite to receive the bolts. I’d bring a combination wrench and socket set, as well as the standard screwdrivers, pliers, and such.

A friend of mine has the R4511, and it’s a good saw. I think $450 is a little high, but it’s not a completely terrible price. The saw was definitely on the pricey side at the original MSRP of ~$1100.

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#6 posted 07-25-2018 11:34 AM

I have that same saw and love it. I use it every single day building cabinets. I do wish it had a bigger motor. The only thing that I have had to do to mine is replace the arbor bearings which was simple and only took about 20 minutes. I did order the longer Delta guide rails to extend the fence compacity out to 55”. The fence isn’t proprietary, it’s a name brand Biesemeyer. I paid $600 for mine used and believe that it was worth every penny.

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maddogio

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#7 posted 07-25-2018 02:59 PM

Thank you for the helpful review and information about the fence. I recall reading that this used a Biesemeyer copy, but I may have misunderstood.

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maddogio

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#8 posted 07-29-2018 11:11 PM

I bought the saw today. It seemed barely used. The handle on the fence had broken because something fell on it, but that’s an easy fix. I’m going to put it on a Shop Fox mobile base.

Thanks, again, for the advice.

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#9 posted 07-29-2018 11:25 PM

Nicely done! Enjoy your new toy. Should provide years of good service.

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#10 posted 07-30-2018 12:25 AM



I bought the saw today. It seemed barely used. The handle on the fence had broken because something fell on it, but that s an easy fix. I m going to put it on a Shop Fox mobile base.

Thanks, again, for the advice.

- maddogio

Congrats! Be sure to get the setup dead on, and buy a decent blade or two. Enjoy!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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