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whalewood

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07-02-2018 11:10 PM

Topic tags/keywords: jet powermatic jointer planer combo jointer planer jjp-12hh powermatic 60hh question

Hey all!

Lumberjocks is a great resource and thanks to everyone for making this such a great community. This is my first time posting. I thought y’all could help me work through a question I am struggling with:

I have a 625 sq. ft. shop so really like the idea of a combination machine from a space-saving perspective. The 12” jointer on the JJP-12HH is also a big selling point. My biggest concern about this machine is overall fit and finish, general alignment issues and most importantly, what seems to be a flimsy fence.

The other contender here is a Powermatic 60HH 8”. I know I’d be very happy with this machine from a quality perspective although would be giving up the extra 4” of jointing capacity and giving up more space as well. My initial plan with this machine would be to pair it will a Dewalt DW735X planer (for which I’d eventually get Byrd helical heads).

Overall, if these options were identical I’d go with the Jet, but it just doesn’t seem to come close to PM quality.

Love to hear thoughts on recommendations on this as looking to make a final decision over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks!


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Aj2

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#1 posted 07-02-2018 11:23 PM

Buy a jointer with the longest tables your can afford. The jet planer/jointer is garbage

-- Aj

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TungOil

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#2 posted 07-03-2018 02:13 AM

I have the 60 HH and the 735. Both are nice machines. Personally I prefer separate machines to combos. I’m working in about 535 sq ft. I think the Jet would be a step down.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#3 posted 07-03-2018 03:19 AM

I had my eye on the JJP-12HH but it wasn’t in the budget (and wasn’t going to be for a good while) but I liked the concept and additionally the longevity of the helical heads. It seemed like the machine would be a good fit in my shop and while there have been comments in both directions in regard to it, overall I felt okay with the Jointer / Planer.

In May, Ebay & Amazon had a very short period in which the Dewalt DW735X (with the extension tables and extra set of blades) was available for $449 with free shipping so I made the purchase. I was then able to pick up an 8” Grizzly G0490 Parallelogram Bed Jointer within an hour from me on Facebook Marketplace for $750.

Since they have been in my shop, I have come to appreciate the two-machine concept and will likely continue with having a separate jointer and planer in the future. It can be quite convenient simply flipping a switch and going straight to work, as well as going directly from the jointer to the planer without needing to do anything other than quickly set the depth of cut. The longer bed on the jointer can also be an advantage and gives a longer surface to run the boards while jointing, and the shorter bed on the JJP might not have been the best overall.

The majority of my jointing will be 8” or less in width, but for wider boards, the blade guard can be removed to allow jointing of wider boards, followed by running the board through the planer with an 8” wide section of melamine on the planer bed as a spacer to plane the second side, then removing the melamine and running the second side down to plane and remove the unjointed section of the first side and have a fully planed and smooth final board.

In the future and when both sets of planer knives are worn I would like to upgrade to a Byrd Shelix cutterhead and eventually add one to the jointer, primarily for the longevity and cut quality. At the present, the standard cutter heads are doing fine, but I plan on having each machine long into the future and having the more lasting head will be a plus.

It might help to make a list of the pro’s and con’s of each machine, as well as all of your present & anticipated future woodworking needs and figure out what would be the best in your personal situation, taking into consideration the width of the boards you will typically be jointing, inconvenience of switching from one mode to another, overall cost, workspace requirements and so forth. For me, I was leaning toward the combination machine but came upon the opportunity to get a good price on two separate machines (something I now like quite well), and even when I eventually add the Shelix heads, I will have an extra $1,300 in my pocket for additional equipment and such.

Good luck in your choice & purchase.

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#4 posted 07-03-2018 03:12 PM



Buy a jointer with the longest tables your can afford. The jet planer/jointer is garbage

- Aj2


I have one and it is not garbage, it is great. I have a 200 sq ft garage, so to me it is about the biggest I could fit. I love the euro safety guard. I wish I had longer tables, but truthfully they wouldn’t fit.

Changeover takes about 20 seconds. It has 56 carbide blades, far more than the grizzly 12 inch, so in this category of combined machines it is great.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#5 posted 07-03-2018 08:20 PM

Spoken exactly like someone who has never used one!


Buy a jointer with the longest tables your can afford. The jet planer/jointer is garbage

- Aj2


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TimberAndAshDesigns

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#6 posted 07-03-2018 08:50 PM

I would say that if your budget allows and you can make it work in your space go with separate machines. The longer the jointer bed the better. I have a small shop and went with a helical head grizzly jointer with a 43” bed. I’m regretting it. I love the machine and it fits well in my limited space but I know I will be upsizing my shop at some point in the future (1-3 years) which means I will be upgrading jointers. I make a lot of large tables and the short bed just doesn’t work well with 7’+ material.

Everything I just said could be scratched if you are looking to joint shorter material as well.

FWIW I have a Dewalt 735 as well. Dreaming about bumping that to a 20” Grizzly at some point in the (distant) future.

-- I live on caffeine, sawdust and swear words. https://timberandashdesigns.com/

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whalewood

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#7 posted 07-03-2018 08:51 PM

Thanks all. The comments are helpful.

I am leaning toward the Powermatic 60HH + Dewalt option. There are mixed reviews on the Jet and, in truth, if I didn’t end up with a lemon it would probably work very well for my hobbyist purposes. That being said, the Powermatic feels like a lifetime machine with little probability of being unhappy with it. I figure I’ll build a flip top stand for the Dewalt and that will help with the space issue. If boards are wider than the jointer there are fairly straightforward solutions there per @BattleRidge comments.

Still love the benefits the Jet combo has to offer, but in my experience when you get too fancy with these things probably of getting burned goes up.

Thanks again!

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BattleRidge

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#8 posted 07-03-2018 10:29 PM

Here is a link to a video by Jay Bates in which he shows how he uses the jointer on a wider board, then runs it through the planer with a piece of melamine. This is the follow-up / better way video and he also has another previous video which is worth watching that gives an additional explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bF5CRSMEHc

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RobS888

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#9 posted 07-04-2018 12:33 AM



Spoken exactly like someone who has never used one!

Buy a jointer with the longest tables your can afford. The jet planer/jointer is garbage

- Aj2
Yup, that’s how I read it.

- ArtMann


-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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RobS888

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#10 posted 07-04-2018 12:37 AM



Thanks all. The comments are helpful.

I am leaning toward the Powermatic 60HH + Dewalt option. There are mixed reviews on the Jet and, in truth, if I didn t end up with a lemon it would probably work very well for my hobbyist purposes. That being said, the Powermatic feels like a lifetime machine with little probability of being unhappy with it. I figure I ll build a flip top stand for the Dewalt and that will help with the space issue. If boards are wider than the jointer there are fairly straightforward solutions there per @BattleRidge comments.

Still love the benefits the Jet combo has to offer, but in my experience when you get too fancy with these things probably of getting burned goes up.

Thanks again!

- whalewood


The Ricon 12 inch hh looks exactly like my jet, it has an outrigger on the planer that looks helpful and it is A-LOT less than the jet.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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Aj2

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#11 posted 07-04-2018 12:49 AM

The Ricon is another machine that’s a waste of money. Garbage
Going with separate machines is the way to go. Powermatic 60 and the Dewalt planer is a good start !

-- Aj

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RobS888

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#12 posted 07-04-2018 05:08 AM



The Ricon is another machine that’s a waste of money. Garbage
Going with separate machines is the way to go. Powermatic 60 and the Dewalt planer is a good start !

- Aj2


Do you own the jet or rikon combination machines?

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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William Shelley

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#13 posted 07-05-2018 12:37 AM

A jointer is a machine that benefits from being really heavy and really stable. Combination machines are neither of these things.

I have a Baileigh JP-1686 which is a 16” x 86” jointer/planer hybrid machine, looks similar to a Felder AD741. If the machine held it’s calibration, it would be great. But simply the fact that it has to switch between jointing and planing means the tables have too much movement and it doesn’t hold it’s settings correctly. My machine is 950lbs and still isn’t rigid enough. I highly doubt that a smaller J/P hybrid like the Rikon or JET units would be very useable.

I upgraded from a 6” x 46” Craftsman jointer and a DeWalt 735 planer. I have more capacity now but I’ve probably spent over 200 hours since I got my J/P machine fussing with alignment just to get straight boards.

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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RobS888

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#14 posted 07-05-2018 12:52 AM



A jointer is a machine that benefits from being really heavy and really stable. Combination machines are neither of these things.

I have a Baileigh JP-1686 which is a 16” x 86” jointer/planer hybrid machine, looks similar to a Felder AD741. If the machine held it s calibration, it would be great. But simply the fact that it has to switch between jointing and planing means the tables have too much movement and it doesn t hold it s settings correctly. My machine is 950lbs and still isn t rigid enough. I highly doubt that a smaller J/P hybrid like the Rikon or JET units would be very useable.

I upgraded from a 6” x 46” Craftsman jointer and a DeWalt 735 planer. I have more capacity now but I ve probably spent over 200 hours since I got my J/P machine fussing with alignment just to get straight boards.

- William Shelley


500lbs is pretty beefy for a 12 inch. And one of the benefits of the jet is it has a single table, so alignment from switching over isn’t a problem. I avoided the 2table solutions since they look difficult to work with.

If you have room get separate machines, if you have little room consider the jet. It leaves a great finish and laughs at grain.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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BoilerUp21

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#15 posted 07-05-2018 01:14 AM



Buy a jointer with the longest tables your can afford. The jet planer/jointer is garbage

- Aj2

And how do you know the Jet planer/jointer is garbage? Have you used it? Are you just making assumptions?

I have one (non-helical head) and only use it for jointing. I have the Dewalt planer but i must say switching on the Jet between the two is very simple. I would not hesitate to get another one in the future and for $2,000 i got a 12” jointer with planer if needed. Try and find a 12” jointer that isn’t backordered right now or $3,500.

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