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05-29-2018 12:54 PM

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I’m getting ready to make a bunch of drawer boxes out of some very nice birdseye maple. I really feel bad wasting this stuff for a number of reasons other than the obvious. The problem I’m running into is I have about 30 boards that have been planned and squared up. They range from 9”-4” wide and anywhere from 20” to 80” long.

With that many boards and that many size variations there’s no way I could use good old gray matter and a pencil to figure out the best cut layout. I’ve poked around a bit and came across a few cut optimizers but, most seem buggy or not what I’m looking for.

That why I’m reaching out today. Wondering if anyone here has suggestions on good cut optimizing software. Here are some of the features I’d like to see:

1. Allows for multiple pieces of different sized stock (since I have 30ish boards)
2. Allows for different cut orientations other than just linear i.e. outputs 2ct 4” x 20” boards using 9” x 20” stock
3. Allows for a printout of the optimization
4. Keeps track of leftover and allows it to be saved for later use

Of course I’d prefer freeware. However, I wouldn’t be opposed to spending a little on the right program. Just not interested in breaking the bank since I’m just a diy guy.


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Rich

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#1 posted 05-29-2018 01:40 PM

You don’t mention what computing platform(s) you use. There is an excellent IOS app (iPad only) called Cut Calculator that can do linear and sheet layouts for what you are doing. You can even tell it to ignore grain direction when using materials like MDF. It costs $5.

Other than that, SketchUp with a cut list extension is free.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#2 posted 05-29-2018 02:08 PM



You don t mention what computing platform(s) you use. There is an excellent IOS app (iPad only) called Cut Calculator that can do linear and sheet layouts for what you are doing. You can even tell it to ignore grain direction when using materials like MDF. It s costs $5.

Other than that, SketchUp with a cut list extension is free.

- Rich


Funny, I was ready to look at the app “Cut Calculator” and download it. Google searched the name and came up with this :) Workshop Buddy It’s free. Haven’t yet looked at the app, so I don’t know if one has better utility than the other.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#3 posted 05-29-2018 02:23 PM

That’s a great find, Bill. I’ll try to find some time to run a few layouts through both and see how it goes. Beta could mean it’s actively being developed, or it could mean it’s a half-assed effort someone threw together and abandoned. I hope it’s the former.

I got Cut Calculator years ago when it was free, but it would be nice to have something web based for when I don’t have my iPad handy.

Edit:

Well, being the curious geek that I am, I threw a simple layout at both products and the results were surprising. I told both to layout 24 drawer sides, 12 backs, 24 stiles and 24 rails on a sheet of plywood. While they both did a nice job of optimizing, the Workshop Buddy did a more practical layout to cut from.

Here are the two layouts. They’re pretty blurry at this resolution, but you can see what’s going on. Workshop Buddy is the blue one. Notice that all of the parts are laid out in strips that you could easily rip on the table saw and then crosscut the individual pieces from them. The Cut Calculator did a valid layout, but when you look over in the area where I highlighted the board, the strips are offset. There’s no way to make those cuts efficiently. I’m very impressed with Workshop Buddy.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#4 posted 05-29-2018 04:09 PM

My firewall won’t let me access that site (Workshop Buddy). How does one determine if it’s a faults positive?

I tried a couple different ways to get there but either way sets off my software. As you may know free programs sometime come with extra “stuff”.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#5 posted 05-29-2018 05:22 PM

My antivirus warned me about continuing to that site as well so I just stopped there….

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#6 posted 05-29-2018 07:17 PM

Hmmm. I’ve tried it with Chrome and Safari without any warnings. I did notice that the green light next to the camera on my laptop is now on and my system font has changed to Cyrillic.

There’s probably no connection though.

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#7 posted 05-29-2018 11:17 PM

Я вирішив трохи пограти в Workshop Buddy і знайшов якісь чудові функції. У моєму першому посланні я вказав, як він зробив макет так, щоб довгі смуги могли бути розірвані, а потім поперечно.

Dang, looks like the Russians hacked me :)

Anyway, seriously, I decided to play with Workshop Buddy a little more and found a great feature. In my first post I pointed out how it made the layout so that the long strips could be ripped and then crosscut. Well, making that many rip cuts on a full sheet of plywood would be a pain. As it turns out you can also optimize the layout for crosscuts. If you look at the layout below, you can see its benefit in that you can do initial crosscuts with a circular saw or even jig saw and then rip the remaining pieces from much more manageable material.

I’m sold on Workshop Buddy. It outperforms my IOS app, is universal since it runs in the browser and best of all it’s free. A big thanks to Bill for finding it and posting about it. Bill, Yo! You da man!

Here’s the layout optimized for crosscuts:

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#8 posted 05-29-2018 11:47 PM

I use an old version of CUTLIST341.
I like the old version better because it doesn’t have all the hoopla all the new programs have.
It’s very basic, but does all I need.

Type in your pieces parts,
It lets you select your material sizes, (you can mix and match different sizes)
You can select grain or no grain, and also rip cuts or cross cuts.
There is also a manual parts positioning if you want to layout the pieces your self.

You can also name the pieces parts if you want.

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#9 posted 05-30-2018 12:07 AM



Hmmm. I ve tried it with Chrome and Safari without any warnings. I did notice that the green light next to the camera on my laptop is now on and my system font has changed to Cyrillic.

There s probably no connection though.

- Rich

LOL

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#10 posted 05-30-2018 12:12 AM

They mention two commercial programs on the Buddy site. One is your CutList and the other is MaxCut. MaxCut actually offers a very useable free version that would be completely adequate for a casual user. They are both Windows based, but I can run MaxCut Free on my Mac using Parallels. It’ll be fun to try out (plus I’ll be safe from the Russians…lol).

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#11 posted 05-30-2018 02:12 PM

I use MaxCut and like it. My biggest complaint is that it doesn’t allow you to manually rearrange the parts and doesn’t save the last optimization. Not sure if the “pay version” will or not.

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#12 posted 05-30-2018 02:23 PM

Guys, you really need to tighten up your PC security. Norton says it is blocking multiple attacks after clicking on the work shop buddy site link above. If you have downloaded from that site, I would immediately delete it and run virus scan. You might also want to get a copy of malware bytes and run its scan as well. MWB sometimes finds stuff that NAV misses. It could be that the site itself was hacked so be careful out there.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#13 posted 05-30-2018 03:29 PM


Guys, you really need to tighten up your PC security. Norton says it is blocking multiple attacks after clicking on the work shop buddy site link above. If you have downloaded from that site, I would immediately delete it and run virus scan. You might also want to get a copy of malware bytes and run its scan as well. MWB sometimes finds stuff that NAV misses. It could be that the site itself was hacked so be careful out there.

- Lazyman

Relax. It’s because they have the Coinhive api running in the background. It’s not going to damage your system. All it’s doing is using a portion of your CPU to mine the cryptocurrency Monero. That allows web site owners to monetize their web site without advertising. The main downside of it is that it uses some of your computing resources and may drain your battery more quickly if you’re mobile.

Now, that said, I’m using the Stands Fair Adblocker in my Chrome derivative browser and inspecting the Workshop Buddy page while it loads shows this:

“Failed to load resource: net::ERRBLOCKEDBY_CLIENT coinhive.min.js”

So, it’s not even getting loaded in my browser. Antivirus programs like Norton are helpful for keeping out malware, but you’re depending on it to decide what’s malware and what’s not. In my book, Coinhive is not malware as it’s doing no damage to your system. But the good folks at Norton decided they didn’t want it running so they flagged it as such.

So, no need for any panic. You can choose to listen to your AV and not go there, but there’s no danger. I think it’s a great tool, outperforms the IOS app I’ve been using, and I have it bookmarked for the future.

Here’s some information on how to detect and block cryptocurrency mining in your browser (I have no idea if it will placate Norton or other AVs however):

https://fossbytes.com/block-cryptocurrency-mining-in-browser/

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#14 posted 05-30-2018 05:22 PM


You don t mention what computing platform(s) you use. There is an excellent IOS app (iPad only) called Cut Calculator that can do linear and sheet layouts for what you are doing. You can even tell it to ignore grain direction when using materials like MDF. It s costs $5.

Other than that, SketchUp with a cut list extension is free.

- Rich

Funny, I was ready to look at the app “Cut Calculator” and download it. Google searched the name and came up with this :) Workshop Buddy It s free. Haven t yet looked at the app, so I don t know if one has better utility than the other.

- builtinbkyn

My workplace’s internet is blocking that link for malicious software downloads. Might want to be wary.

-- Allen, Colorado (Instagram @bobasaurus_woodworking)

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#15 posted 05-30-2018 05:59 PM


My workplace s internet is blocking that link for malicious software downloads. Might want to be wary.

- bobasaurus

Read my post that’s right before yours. Number 13. I explain it.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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